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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 27, 2011 10:43:43 GMT -5
UCONN is going to be nasty with Drummond/Oriaki/Napier/Lamb/Smith. One would think this would be their starting 5. LONG and skilled. Guess word got to Drummond that it was not a slam dunk to be eligible for NBA after leaving prep school..
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Post by RDF on Aug 27, 2011 12:19:44 GMT -5
If you are going to give UConn crap for the walk on thing--ridiculous when a top recruit in country is allowed to walk on when every school in country would give him a scholarship--so I'd rather see Olander or someone else give up their ship then Drummond "pay his own way" and basically insult rest of country that it's on the up and up--but this all started with Louisville-who is doing this with 3 players this year. Bubble Boy is just doing what Pitino has made cool in Big East--dropping scholarship guys to make room for recruits. Now I can't stand the hypocrisy of Bubble Boy and really have no issue with Pitino or Louisville but it's just coaches finding loopholes and exploiting them.
Obviously it makes Uconn more talented but not necessarily a better team. Pretty hard to repeat when you are loaded and especially when you lose your most valuable player in Walker. Look forward to seeing him play and how Hoyas compete this year against him--and gives Big East another elite team on paper.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 27, 2011 13:17:07 GMT -5
You really think Calhoun is above kicking a kid off the day before school? HA! We will find out in due time. I smell a "leaving the team for personal reasons" headline coming soon! Isn't that why UConn has assistant coaches in the first place? The accusation you are referring to has been edited. --AdminBut I said allegedly! I mean, it was obviously vicious slander to say that Calhoun killed a player's grandmother in order to free up a scholarship.
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Post by kghoya on Aug 27, 2011 19:32:35 GMT -5
Can we stop with the "once you are recruited as a scholarship player you always count as a scholarship player" junk?
From an Andy Katz article about Drummond:
If a player can qualify for financial aid (or if he can pay his own way), then he can go from scholarship to non-scholarship with an exception and not count against your roster. But the player, in this case Bradley, has to agree to the proposal to take on financial aid and likely a loan.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 27, 2011 19:47:51 GMT -5
"he can go from scholarship to non scholarship with an exception"
What is required for an exception and who has to provide the exception? The NCAA? Seems like the NCAA could just say No. Does there have to be some sort of legitimate reason for this to happen. Who knows.
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Post by alexd on Aug 27, 2011 20:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by kghoya on Aug 27, 2011 20:20:41 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Connecticut is only working with 10 scholarships. I'd hate to think about just how good their roster would be with 13 kids.
The NCAA really stuck it to the Huskies with that reduction huh? No punishment for Calhoun and all he does is win another National Championship and then kill it in the world of recruiting this summer.
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Post by whatmaroon on Aug 28, 2011 10:40:52 GMT -5
Am I reading that Connecticut Post article right? Is it implying UConn fires its AD to get Drummond the team this year? Because if they did, that's ... well ... SEC-level awesomeness.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Aug 28, 2011 10:53:21 GMT -5
That's complete BS to make a kid who had a scholly, and who had done nothing wrong to relinquish his scholly. Jim Calhoun represents everything that's wrong with college athletics
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Post by lucky on Aug 28, 2011 11:42:53 GMT -5
How does the NCAA allow this to go on right infront of their faces? More importantly, how do parents and the kids themselves knowingly walk into programs who are confirmed dirty? Boggles my mind.
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Post by msbhoya07 on Aug 28, 2011 11:45:42 GMT -5
Jim Calhoun is an absolute scumbag. Although you can hate the way he runs his program, the NCAA is as much fault as he is. They let this go on right before their eyes. We may never be as competitive as UCONN because we choose to run a more honest program. We should be proud of that as Hoyas
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Post by zxhoya on Aug 28, 2011 12:23:04 GMT -5
Jim Calhoun is an absolute scumbag. Although you can hate the way he runs his program, the NCAA is as much fault as he is. They let this go on right before their eyes. We may never be as competitive as UCONN because we choose to run a more honest program. We should be proud of that as Hoyas Amen Brother, I am proud and hope JTIII continues to do it the right way and am confident he will.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 28, 2011 16:32:59 GMT -5
This is a major overreaction. This is done ALL the time, whether or not you realize it. Coaches will also ask a player to leave or more mildly, suggest to him his playing opportunities are gone so that he can transfer and open another scholarship. In this case, Calhoun asked a player to drop down from schollie to non-schollie, but stay on the team. That is better than being forced into a transfer, especially if said player wanted to remain with the program.
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Post by alleninxis on Aug 28, 2011 16:46:45 GMT -5
one thing to be asked that in the spring after the year, another to be asked to do so a few days before the fall semester starts.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 28, 2011 16:48:55 GMT -5
It does happen all the time but it usually happens in the spring right after the season ends. This time it is happening the day before school starts. Huge difference. At least in the spring you give the kid the opportunity to look elsewhere.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 28, 2011 16:50:42 GMT -5
Sorry for the repeat. Didn't see alleninxis post until after i posted.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 28, 2011 16:58:14 GMT -5
It does happen all the time but it usually happens in the spring right after the season ends. This time it is happening the day before school starts. Huge difference. At least in the spring you give the kid the opportunity to look elsewhere. I feel you there. But lets not act all "high and mighty" as we usually do bc ANY coach worth his salt would do the same to get the NUMBER ONE player in the nation. He didnt bump a guy to get a slightly appealing prospect. Case n point, if the roles were reversed and we could have got AD but the schollie of say Nikita was standing in the way or Jerelle, everyone would be furious if we lost that commit bc of a the last scholarship player on the depth chart. Besides, the player that was asked to give up his schollie may have money, or he may have his academics in order enough to get an academic schollie. Lastly, it really does fall on Drummond. He did this. He waited til two days before class to decide he would come to college. But when you are the BEST in the country, schools will make accommodations for you. Just my 0.02
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Post by daymondmyles on Aug 28, 2011 17:36:48 GMT -5
Wrong. Some coaches actually care about the kids they coach. Others only see them as cogs in a machine. I know which type jt3 is and which Calhoun is and they are not the same type.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 28, 2011 18:15:39 GMT -5
I think there's a big difference in letting a kid know that they will likely not be saying playing time and suggesting they might see more playing time at a different place and telling a kid you need to pay your own way now so I can give you scholarship to this other kid. Sometimes the first situation happens with a kid in mind already. But I don't think all coaches would tell the kid that they had the first conversation to take a hike if he said you know what coach I think I'd rather stay and try to earn playing time here. I seriously doubt Calhoun asked if he'd drop down to non scholarship. I think he said you're dropping down to non scholarship or good luck finding a school in 2 days. If the kid had refused to do so he would've just been kicked off the team. Let's not paint this like the kid had a choice in the matter. Calhoun would've just cut the kid from the team, which you're allowed to do. He told him if you want to still play you'll have to pay.
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Post by idhoya on Aug 28, 2011 18:47:32 GMT -5
do we actually think this kid will pay his own way if he doesn't get an academic schollie?
C'mon now.
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