EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on May 30, 2009 7:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 30, 2009 14:28:01 GMT -5
You do know Pravda is a tabloid now right?
The links to stories with these headlines should have been a clue:
"Women rape men when they have no one to have sex with"
"U.S. scientists unveil NASA’s secrets about cities on the Moon"
"Mysterious dwarfish alien brutally murdered in Russia's remote village"
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on May 31, 2009 7:24:50 GMT -5
Discredit the messenger. Ignore the message.
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Post by SirSaxa on May 31, 2009 8:44:47 GMT -5
Discredit the messenger. Ignore the message. Isn't this quote your view of the NY Times? |
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TC
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Post by TC on May 31, 2009 9:23:02 GMT -5
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on May 31, 2009 10:46:01 GMT -5
See previous post.
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Post by Jack on May 31, 2009 11:01:45 GMT -5
Discredit the messenger. Ignore the message. You are the one who made the "messenger" an issue by putting it in the thread title, as if the fact that infamous Communist party organ Pravda believes the US is becoming Marxist made it noteworthy. Then it turns out that Pravda is now a worthless tabloid and you just respond with this now all-too-familiar one-liner. |
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TC
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Post by TC on May 31, 2009 11:03:44 GMT -5
Or, taken another way, who cares where you get crazy blatherings from or whether they are plausible or not, as long as they agree with you.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 31, 2009 12:14:19 GMT -5
Don't forget "Dog Give Birth to Mutant Creature That Resembles Human Being."
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TC
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Post by TC on May 31, 2009 13:25:13 GMT -5
I like "Men can really breasfeed and have third nipple" and "Men become impotent because of women's bare legs".
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on May 31, 2009 13:51:14 GMT -5
As I said earlier.
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Post by quickplay on May 31, 2009 15:24:30 GMT -5
A homeless guy on the street wearing a wedding dress and flippers yelled to me that Republicans attempts at kicking all of the poor and gay people out of America is moving forward faster than they expected. Discuss. |
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Post by Bando on May 31, 2009 17:55:57 GMT -5
Discredit the messenger. Ignore the message. The message is also, frankly, completely retarded. Either that, or you have no idea what Marxism actually is. |
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Post by mchoya on May 31, 2009 19:59:07 GMT -5
"First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics."
It looks as if Pravda forgot about the difference between than and then. Then, they criticize us rather than making a coherent argument. See, that's how they're used!
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 31, 2009 23:47:43 GMT -5
I think that the messenger was the issue because it was in the title and because you were trying to use the irony of a paper that many people in the United States still associate with the USSR calling the United States communist. If that was not your intention, I guess I'd just question what you were doing reading the English version of Pravda and not one of any other conservative publications that could have had a flavor of the same story.
In addition, I would take issue with your use of the word "Marxism." While there is significant disagreement about the term, it is generally taken to describe the creation of class consciousness in the proletariat who then use a dictatorship to move to an eventual classless society. This social class consciousness was determined relative to the means of production not the distribution of wealth. Marxists would argue that the imposition of taxes in order to perpetuate large corporations with a similar managerial class controlling the means of production, was not Marxist at all.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 1, 2009 10:44:21 GMT -5
I'm repeating my original post in its entirety to show I merely referenced the article from Pravda. When every response merely attacked Pravda and made fun of it, I posted that you were merely discrediting the messenger and not addressing the message, i.e. that the United States was fast falling into Marxism. I, myself, did not ever use the term, Marxism, anywhere nor did I comment on the contents of the Pravda article. Yet, my message was "completely retarded" and I had no idea what Marxism is! In fact, I lived through the period of Soviet Marxism (in its form) and know full well what Marxism is, was and what its consequences were. I saw it first hand while some of you were still in diapers, only later to study it, as interpreted by generally liberal professors. The article I cited was flawed in that its use of the term, Marxism, is flawed. Socialism would be a better word. But it makes several good points: our education system has shifted from teaching the three Rs, history, our constitution, our government, patriotism, our American culture, etc. to teaching the latest fad (dinosaurs, "going green" multi-culturalism, getting along, there is no right or wrong, etc.). My grandchildren know more about dinosaurs than they know about our government and the constitution. We have also dumbed down God in our country. We seem to choose the church we belong to (if we belong at all) based on how it will entertain us rather than its beliefs, so it's no surprise there are an estimated 40,000 different denominations of Christianity alone. There is little sense of objective right and wrong. There is little stigma attached to people doing things that, by centuries-old standards, would have been condemned. There has also been a rapid granting to the federal government of powers not provided for in the constitution, starting with Franklin Roosevelt's era and continuing, through Republican and Democratic rule. As alluded to in the Pravda article, who gave the President of the United States the power to fire the CEO of a major company and to negotiate to own a majority share in that company? Who gave the federal government the right to operate with deficits and debts ensuring a downstream fiscal catastrophe? While the populace sits idly by? These were issues raised in the Pravda article that I thought worthy of discussion, rather than trashing Pravda or the person who originally posted it. Of course I would not have posted it if I didn't agree with some of it, but in this I am no different from anyone else who posts on this board. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 1, 2009 12:18:02 GMT -5
The issue of religion is peripheral in a Marxist state, and the situation you describe is by no means descriptive only of Marxist states (if it indeed is taken to be descriptive of a Marxist state).
SPH described ably the difference between the situation now and Marxism. I would only add that the anti-Marxism of the bailouts is also seen in the layoffs of lower-level hourly wage earners who, in a Marxist society, would be the garden variety members of the proletariat.
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