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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 8, 2009 0:18:25 GMT -5
Redick had that deer in the headlights look in game 2 - especially in OT. This from the guy who has a video out billing himself as "perhaps the best shooter to ever play the game" (see the 'bonus section' at the bottom of the link). www.betterbasketball.com/basketball-shooting-video/I also learned something new: goaltending is not always goaltending - it's really a judgment call.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 8, 2009 7:43:23 GMT -5
Redick had that deer in the headlights look in game 2 - especially in OT. This from the guy who has a video out billing himself as "perhaps the best shooter to ever play the game" (see the 'bonus section' at the bottom of the link). www.betterbasketball.com/basketball-shooting-video/I also learned something new: goaltending is not always goaltending - it's really a judgment call. NBA supervisor of officials Bernie Fryer told ESPN.com that if Gasol's hand had shaken the basket, caused the stanchion to move or touched the rim while the ball was on the rim, the correct call would have been goaltending.
But since none of those things happened, according to Fryer, "It was a cut-and-dried no-call."
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Post by Buckets on Jun 8, 2009 12:51:08 GMT -5
JJ Redick is infuriatingly bad, and it's more frustrating because he would not have been in there had Pietrus actually been allowed to play defense on Kobe, but Kobe got the Wade treatment last night. The tantrum he threw after he was cleanly blocked on the last possession is pretty clear evidence of what Kobe was considering a foul that game.
I'm normally a fan of letting players play, but I was a little disappointed that Orlando didn't take a timeout before or midway through their last full possession. Everyone just looked confused, and they ended up with a decent shot, but there were three guys on the court that the Magic would rather have had shooting. Van Gundy (as he again showed the next possession) can certainly draw up a play.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 8, 2009 14:28:56 GMT -5
Everything is a cut-and-dried no call in the NBA, except when it isn't.
Lee should have made the layup regardless.
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Post by hifigator on Jun 8, 2009 15:09:41 GMT -5
I agree. The Magic had a great chance to steal that one. I'm still not sure on the goaltending, but I understand they aren't going to make that call in that situation unless it is very flagrant. But honestly, going up through the net and making contact with the rim should probably be called, regardless of whether the ball is on the rim at that precise instant.
As for Redick, I actually think that his defense has improved dramatically, although I admit that that isn't saying very much. But in fairness, it isn't that he can't play defense; it's that he can't guard Kobe. I think most of us would have that same problem.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 9, 2009 18:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 9, 2009 20:46:24 GMT -5
it wasn't goal tending on lee's layup.
that no call on howard made me think about the game at syracuse. ugh.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 10, 2009 12:14:14 GMT -5
Glad the Magic pulled out last night's game. I was discouraged when they shot, what, 75% in the first half, and still only had a slim (4 pts?) lead. Keeps some drama in the Finals.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 10, 2009 12:15:42 GMT -5
But the rim didn't move!
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 10, 2009 12:31:53 GMT -5
Glad the Magic pulled out last night's game. I was discouraged when they shot, what, 75% in the first half, and still only had a slim (4 pts?) lead. Keeps some drama in the Finals. I wasn't discouraged at all. The Magic had just survived one of the greatest quartr performances in NBA history by Kobe Bryant. Kobe and the Lakers were on fire in that first quarter and they were trying to take the wind out of Orlando early. They were going for the early kill ala Denver in Game 6. A bad sign for the Lakers was that they could never shake the Magic; they couldn't even build a ten point lead. Another bad sign was that Orlando was getting big time offensive contributions from four players at that time. I felt good about Orlando's chances going into the second half.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 10, 2009 13:03:27 GMT -5
Redick had that deer in the headlights look in game 2 - especially in OT. This from the guy who has a video out billing himself as "perhaps the best shooter to ever play the game" (see the 'bonus section' at the bottom of the link). www.betterbasketball.com/basketball-shooting-video/I also learned something new: goaltending is not always goaltending - it's really a judgment call. But did Redick ever coach back-to-back-to-back national champions?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 10, 2009 13:04:24 GMT -5
Good points above, MCI. Kept telling myself to look at it that way, but admittedly was worried the Magic could not sustain that level of play. As it turned out, Kobe and the Lakers were the ones who failed at the end.
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Post by hifigator on Jun 10, 2009 13:48:34 GMT -5
I must admit that I am cautiously optimistic, but logically, my mind keeps telling me that if they set first half and game records for shooting accuracy and were playing at home, but still had to squeek out a very close victory, then the prospectus doesn't look that bright.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 10, 2009 16:38:25 GMT -5
Redick had that deer in the headlights look in game 2 - especially in OT. This from the guy who has a video out billing himself as "perhaps the best shooter to ever play the game" (see the 'bonus section' at the bottom of the link). www.betterbasketball.com/basketball-shooting-video/I also learned something new: goaltending is not always goaltending - it's really a judgment call. But did Redick ever coach back-to-back-to-back national champions? jj has nothing over tom emanski
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 10, 2009 18:07:43 GMT -5
I must admit that I am cautiously optimistic, but logically, my mind keeps telling me that if they set first half and game records for shooting accuracy and were playing at home, but still had to squeek out a very close victory, then the prospectus doesn't look that bright. But they didn't shoot well from the three point line which is a strength of theirs. Also they almost won game 2 at LA (would have if they hit their free throws and didn't turn the ball over) despite not shooting a great percentage.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 11, 2009 23:14:17 GMT -5
I'm going to call bull on what is at this point goign to be an LA win. Kobe elbowed nelson in that face. That 3 should not have counted. Of course i don't know what orlando was thinking on that turgalou 3 but ugh. two games magic should've won but lost.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 12, 2009 2:47:08 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts on this one. You all probably know I'm a Laker fan, and have been since the team moved to LA. I grew up watching Elgin and Jerry play. The Lakers have always been my favorite local team, probably because of all the misery they went through at the hands of the Celtics in the early years.
I was extremely confident the Lakers would win tonight, largely because I felt there was no way the Magic would duplicate their shooting from game 3 (yeah, I know, there was always the possibility that they could hit 20 threes, but I didn't view that as real likely), which the Lakers almost won despite Kobe shooting like dog poop for the last three quarters, after his incendiary first quarter.
That said, the better team did not win tonight. A team should not win a game playing only one good quarter, and that's what the Lakers did tonight, thanks in large part to a ton of missed free throws by Turkoglu (surprising) and Howard (not so surprising) and poor play by the Magic in the last few seconds of regulation. The Lakers also managed to win despite what I thought was an awful, putrid performance by Kobe in the fourth quarter and most of the overtime. This was the old Kobe, displaying ball hogging at its worst. I finally started yelling "pass the damn ball" at the television screen. And wow, how about that, when he finally passed the ball, instead of shooting while triple teamed every possession, something good happened. Way to go, Fish. You deserve it.
Also, I want to add a word about Rashard Lewis. He didn't have his stroke tonight, but how many threes has he hit in the final minute of playoff games this year? The guy has been big time money. Chick Hearn used to refer to Jamaal Wilkes' jumper as a 20 foot layup, but watching Lewis shoot 3's (other than tonight, fortunately for the Lakers) has been like watching a guy shoot 25 foot layups.
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Post by redskins12820 on Jun 12, 2009 10:02:17 GMT -5
I'm going to call bull Edited on what is at this point goign to be an LA win. Kobe elbowed nelson in that face. That 3 should not have counted. Of course i don't know what orlando was thinking on that turgalou 3 but ugh. two games magic should've won but lost. Yes you can point to the elbow, where Nelson leaned in, but it was still a foul. But you can also point to the stat that before the foul of Gasol with 3 seconds to go, the Lakers had shot zero free throws in the fourth quarter and OT, while the magic shot something like 18. Yes, a couple were intentional fouls (2 I believe) but that's still a 14-0 discrepancy. If Lakers lose, talk is about how the lakers got hosed by the refs. You can be a laker hater, but look at the stats. The refs favored them the majority of the game. Remember Mbenga and Powell were the frontcourt at one point because Gasol, Odom and Bynum were on the bench with foul trouble. Thank goodness refs swallowed their whistles in OT
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Post by RDF on Jun 12, 2009 10:14:32 GMT -5
Van Gundy's playing of Jameer Nelson is ignorant. The guy looks like a football player playing a charity game--he's gassed after 3 trips up/down the court, he hasn't done a damn thing to help this team in postseason--yet he's played a significant role in 3 games--and they were all losses. You made it to Finals with Alston/Johnson and now the little fireplug is playing--and his lack of hoops IQ cost this team the game/series in all probability. If Derek Fisher drives past you with 4.6 seconds left to get to rim--so what?
As for Van Gundy--why would you trap Kobe Bryant in front of Laker bench in backcourt with 11 seconds left and 3pt lead? You have your defense waiting at halfcourt to pick them up and keep everyone's man in front of them instead of what happened--which created a scramble. Why is Nelson even in at that point? Courtney Lee should've been in due to his quickness/defensive ability and your best defensive team should be on court. Nelson couldn't block/challenge Emmanuel Lewis jumper.
Talking about an elbow to Nelson is a joke. Reasons are stated above. The Lakers attempt ZERO FT's in 4th Quarter--you have a 3 pt lead with 11.6 seconds left and 2FTA. You don't deserve to win if you do what they did.
The whining of officials if for LOSERS. If you want to be a championship team--you play through bad calls, other teams great play, etc....and when you have a team collapsing--you capitalize. Now you can debate how good the caliber of teams in Finals have been lately--but this year--the Lakers have found the ways to win-and you don't do that by getting calls--you have to take advantage of breaks--not just expect them to bail you out.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jun 12, 2009 11:35:44 GMT -5
the 'master of panic' strikes again...
funny how that [Edited] brother of stan van jeremy jumps all over nelson for not fouling but says nothing about his brother telling them not to foul. the mother of all gag jobs.
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