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Post by MCIGuy on May 29, 2009 19:58:35 GMT -5
you can't be serious. orlando shot 41 free throws. I think Dwight Howard was called for more fouls last night than LeBron has been called for all series. The big man picking up more fouls than guards and small forwards? Wow. That's been going on for like forever in both college and pro basketball. Next obvious thing we'll be talking about is how in football offensive linemen are called more for holding than wide recievers and running backs.
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Post by RDF on May 29, 2009 23:15:03 GMT -5
I'm just happy that Denver shot a hole or two in some of RDF's arguments. Still a lot of ball to go though, but right now, I can't be too disappointed. I'm pulling for that Denver-Orlando matchup that no one else seems to want to see. But I can live with anyone but the Lakers. Denver didn't shoot a single thing in my comments--they proved exactly what they have been/are--an undisciplined, classless group of morons who can't handle adversity and whine/complain, and commit stupid fouls and act like female dogs on court. If I'm GM of Nuggets--I'd trade Carmelo Anthony. The guy cares more about scoring then winning. The minute his shot didn't fall--he didn't do a damn thing in this series. He was so awful in tonight Karl had to bench him TWICE. Mr Big Shot--until you get to Conference Finals. Billups was a nice pickup for Denver-but can we please stop with the "big shot" crap with this guy? He SUCKED in games 5 and 6 and even sunk to level of other ignorant Nugget players with a cheapshot on Gasol and lost his composure. Shannon Brown dominated Billups the past 2 games and it wasn't even close. When this guy can't run/leap into defenders--he's an average shooter and one of the more overrated lead guards--because he's not a great passer. Good guy--no doubt. Better fit then Iverson, but I still don't expect to see Nuggets back to this level of Playoffs with Karl and the type of player they employ. Their guys are stupid, undisciplined and don't play a lick of defense. Blocking some shots isn't defense---and if you really watch them play--they benefitted from Utah/San Antonio injuries (Ginobili and Boozer/Okur) more then they dominated division. Chris Anderson will be on smack by this time next year as well. He's a clown who shouldn't be made into any "hero" by the media.
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Post by kghoya on May 30, 2009 0:37:56 GMT -5
looks like the nuggets cant beat the lakers in a playoff series with iverson or billups
im just glad that kenyon and carmelo are out of the playoffs
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Post by MCIGuy on May 30, 2009 1:03:06 GMT -5
^^^So is Mark Cuban.
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Post by RDF on May 30, 2009 23:41:08 GMT -5
Orlando and Los Angeles are the 2 best teams in NBA--and I disagree with TNT--I actually think the Magic are more talented roster-wise. Will be a great Finals--because 2 best teams going at it. Hope Pat gets his RING!!
BTW---how unbelievably great is LeBron? Watching this series--I didn't find myself thinking a thing about his teammates in a positive manner--best I could come up with was--LeBron got that team to win 66 games? His greatness won 2 games--and if you look at the series--Magic were better in 5 of 6 games--and in the game they weren't-they came back from 22 down to take an 8 pt lead. That is how mismatched these teams were--and LeBron deserved the MVP by a landslide.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 31, 2009 11:23:34 GMT -5
BTW---how unbelievably great is LeBron? Watching this series--I didn't find myself thinking a thing about his teammates in a positive manner--best I could come up with was--LeBron got that team to win 66 games? His greatness won 2 games--and if you look at the series--Magic were better in 5 of 6 games--and in the game they weren't-they came back from 22 down to take an 8 pt lead. That is how mismatched these teams were--and LeBron deserved the MVP by a landslide. LeBron is so good that I think if you just gave him one relatively young and LEGIT All-Star teammate (not a teammate he made into a All-Star because of the team's record, like Mo, or an aging former All Star who only got voted into the game because of the terrible shortage of talent at his positon, like Z) he will win it all. Just one. The rest of the teammates could be role players and I still like my chances with LBJ and his wingman whoever that may be. The only guy I could say that about other than Jordan over the last 15 or so years is Shaq. Now to make myself clear I'm not saying that there hasn't been other great players who won during this time with just one legit Al-Star teammate. Obviously its possible for others to win like that. Its just that LeBron is one of the few I feel confident about winning with such a lineup regardless of the competition he'll face.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 31, 2009 12:06:30 GMT -5
So, umm, is the "Dwight Howard is wildly overrated" theme of this year's playoffs thankfully gone? Good.
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Post by kchoya on May 31, 2009 19:52:58 GMT -5
Orlando and Los Angeles are the 2 best teams in NBA--and I disagree with TNT--I actually think the Magic are more talented roster-wise. Will be a great Finals--because 2 best teams going at it. Hope Pat gets his RING!! BTW---how unbelievably great is LeBron? Watching this series--I didn't find myself thinking a thing about his teammates in a positive manner--best I could come up with was--LeBron got that team to win 66 games? His greatness won 2 games--and if you look at the series--Magic were better in 5 of 6 games--and in the game they weren't-they came back from 22 down to take an 8 pt lead. That is how mismatched these teams were--and LeBron deserved the MVP by a landslide. I agree with everything you said, and you (and MCI) maybe be underselling the guy. But I keep thinking, Jordan never would have been held (essentially) scoreless in the 4th quarter of a playoff game, especially an elimination game. I'd sure like to see what he could do with some decent teammates and a decent coach.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jun 1, 2009 6:16:39 GMT -5
i am praying the magic beat LA, even if it means seeing stan van jeremy and his 'stache another 4+ games. i despise ko-me even more after watching 5 minutes of that joke of a documentary spike lee put together for espn. other than a-roid, ko-me is the biggest phony in sports.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 1, 2009 10:20:05 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said, and you (and MCI) maybe be underselling the guy. But I keep thinking, Jordan never would have been held (essentially) scoreless in the 4th quarter of a playoff game, especially an elimination game. I agree with this. he essentially quit. He pulled a Kobe ala the Phoenix Suns game 7 a few years back. And just like Kobe he walked off the court without shaking hands (unlike Kobe though he didn't stage a walkout of practically his entire team). LBJ knew he wasn't winning this game and therefore didn't fight. I hated MJ but MJ would have gone down at least with an empty chamber. LBJ decided to hold onto a few bullets IMO. The fact that the Cavs won 66 games with that coach and those teammates is a minor miracle. Or at least an indication of the suck-itude of the East. Interestng....the Cavs won the most games in the East but often fell short against the league's best teams during the regular season. The Magic had just the third best record in the East but was dominant during the regular season against the other three final four teams of these playoffs.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 1, 2009 13:42:09 GMT -5
This is going to be an interesting series. To say the Magic was "dominant" of the Lakers is incorrect - both games were decided in the final minute, and one came down to the final shot. But otoh, anyone who thinks the Lakers are going to dominate is crazy. This series is a toss-up, pure and simple.
Are the Lakers and the Magic the two best teams? Perhaps, perhaps not. In my view, as much as it grates on me to write this, there is no way the Magic beats a healthy Celtics team.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 1, 2009 13:42:21 GMT -5
I agree with this. he essentially quit. He pulled a Kobe ala the Phoenix Suns game 7 a few years back. And just like Kobe he walked off the court without shaking hands (unlike Kobe though he didn't stage a walkout of practically his entire team). LBJ knew he wasn't winning this game and therefore didn't fight. I hated MJ but MJ would have gone down at least with an empty chamber. LBJ decided to hold onto a few bullets IMO. The fact that the Cavs won 66 games with that coach and those teammates is a minor miracle. Or at least an indication of the suck-itude of the East. Interestng....the Cavs won the most games in the East but often fell short against the league's best teams during the regular season. The Magic had just the third best record in the East but was dominant during the regular season against the other three final four teams of these playoffs. Outside some Jazz games, and as many Thunder and Pacer games as I could catch, I didn't see a ton of the regular season this year. However, I think the East was average at best. He doesn't need the greatest teammates in the world - just a good collection that compliments his game and their style of play.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 1, 2009 14:21:27 GMT -5
This is going to be an interesting series. To say the Magic was "dominant" of the Lakers is incorrect - both games were decided in the final minute, and one came down to the final shot. But otoh, anyone who thinks the Lakers are going to dominate is crazy. This series is a toss-up, pure and simple. What I meant is that the Magic won the vast majority of the games against the other three final four playoff teams.
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Post by hifigator on Jun 3, 2009 15:34:25 GMT -5
This is going to be an interesting series. To say the Magic was "dominant" of the Lakers is incorrect - both games were decided in the final minute, and one came down to the final shot. But otoh, anyone who thinks the Lakers are going to dominate is crazy. This series is a toss-up, pure and simple. What I meant is that the Magic won the vast majority of the games against the other three final four playoff teams. Yeah, but they had Jameer Nelson for both games against the Lakers and he was a very important part of each win. I want to say he had about 25 points in each victory and Howard didn't have especially good games. The Magic still have a good shot, but they also have their work cut out for them.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 3, 2009 22:07:43 GMT -5
What I meant is that the Magic won the vast majority of the games against the other three final four playoff teams. Yeah, but they had Jameer Nelson for both games against the Lakers and he was a very important part of each win. I want to say he had about 25 points in each victory and Howard didn't have especially good games. The Magic still have a good shot, but they also have their work cut out for them. just think billy the kid could be going for an nba finals ring but instead let his boss, i mean wife, talk him out of coaching in the pros what a edited
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Post by hifigator on Jun 4, 2009 11:47:32 GMT -5
Such language ...
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 4, 2009 12:38:29 GMT -5
Perhaps if Billy the Kid had been coaching the Magic, they wouldn't have made it to the finals.
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Post by hifigator on Jun 4, 2009 14:36:06 GMT -5
We'll never know. But as of now, I am a bigtime Stan van Gundy fan. Go Magic!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 7, 2009 22:08:00 GMT -5
No team that allows J.J. Redick to play 27 minutes in the NBA Finals deserves to win. Although the Lakers should be very thankful that Courtney Lee hasn't been practicing his alley-oops.
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Post by redskins12820 on Jun 7, 2009 22:48:32 GMT -5
No team that allows J.J. Redick to play 27 minutes in the NBA Finals deserves to win. Although the Lakers should be very thankful that Courtney Lee hasn't been practicing his alley-oops. Or his three footers. Lakers very lucky to escape this one, but they played well in overtime and hit their free throws. Something like 15 of their last 15
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