EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 15, 2009 9:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 15, 2009 9:39:40 GMT -5
1) for a while they were in and around the gates 2) why is the area where we own all the buildings not our property, I guess the government owns the first foot off the street, but I'm sure they were beyond that one foot too. 3) I know students would get in trouble if they started a protest in the middle of healy circle for example and not in red square. I've always thought the same thing about the LaRouche nutbags that we let set up shop right at the gates and the library steps. Those people are awful.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Apr 15, 2009 11:05:29 GMT -5
As a pro-choice person, I say let them protest. I'm sure those idiots created a few additional pro-choicers with their antics.
I'm not saying all pro-lifers are idiots. I have a lot of respect for most of them, even though I don't agree with their positions. But the ones outside the front gates yesterday were complete idiots who did nothing but harm to their own cause.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 15, 2009 13:45:04 GMT -5
i think they set up areas inside the gates to prevent protesters blocking the street. they created designated areas for them that were gated. that seems like a good compromise even they all stood in the street anyway. The street is public property but you cant stand in it with out a permit for a protest, so that really limits the area outside the gates that is public property
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Apr 15, 2009 13:58:36 GMT -5
Sooooooo any impressions about the speech from anyone who was there or watched on TV??
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 15, 2009 20:11:22 GMT -5
Sooooooo any impressions about the speech from anyone who was there or watched on TV?? Well i thought it was all BS and totally missed the real issues and was just more pandering, but you know ill always think that ;D
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Apr 15, 2009 23:30:16 GMT -5
one thing i noticed was that the "IHS" and cross on the back wall of Gaston was covered up. i was more curious about the reasoning behind doing that than anything else, but apparently i was not the only one who noticed: www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667just to be clear, this is by far not the first time they've done this for an event in there. in fact, i'd say that i've noticed it covered on at least half of the occasions i've been in there. but i've always found it curious/annoying...this just was the "big stage" so obviously it makes sense that it got noticed now.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 15, 2009 23:47:45 GMT -5
I didn't notice, and I could care less.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 16, 2009 8:01:40 GMT -5
I noticed, and will be withholding my donation to the annual fund as a result.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 16, 2009 8:03:40 GMT -5
I noticed, and will be withholding my donation to the annual fund as a result. Are you serious? Oh right...no one cares.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 16, 2009 8:24:15 GMT -5
Per the Voice's blog, quoting the Catholic News ServiceGeorgetown University says it covered over the monogram “IHS”–symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ—because it was inscribed on a pediment on the stage where President Obama spoke at the university on Tuesday and the White House had asked Georgetown to cover up all signs and symbols there.
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“In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage,” Julie Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications at Georgetown, told CNSNews.com.This is standard procedure when POTUS, VPOTUS, etc. give these sorts of addresses, particularly when it is at a religious institution. The idea is that you do not want it to appear as if the President is speaking with some sort of religious sanction or authority, or on any religion's behalf.
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Apr 16, 2009 8:52:55 GMT -5
It's the top line on Drudge now.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 16, 2009 9:09:27 GMT -5
In an odd twist from one of the more anti-religious on the board, I actually have decided that this DOES bother me. For me, regardless of whether it's a religious or secular symbol, it is part of Georgetown and Georgetown's chosen aesthetic and identity. It's disrespectful to use our space but still hide some something that we choose to keep on our walls. I equate it with putting a tarp over the John Carroll statue (for whatever reason someone would want to do that). It's just rude.
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 16, 2009 9:18:45 GMT -5
I noticed, and will be withholding my donation to the annual fund as a result. Are you serious? Oh right...no one cares. Hey a Georgetown grad dismissing a conservative's religious belief as irrational, what a surprise. I think some forget that MANY people choose to attend Georgetown BECAUSE it is Catholic. So when the school you chose based in part on its Catholic identity hides it while center stage, well that is a valid reason to be upset. (I made a lot of assumptions of madgesdiq beliefs in the above rant)
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Apr 16, 2009 9:27:36 GMT -5
I think the important question is is it SOP for all venues to cover up all signs of the university identity as stated above? If so, I'm fine with it.
Or....
Is it SOP to cover up all religious symbols when POTUS is giving a policy speech? If it is SOP, how long has it been so. If this has been consistently done across all religions, I'm more or less fine with it.
If this is something in practice only done with the symbols are overtly Christian as is often the case, I'm not fine with it at all. And I speak as an atheist. But one who hopes alma mater didn't bend over for this one.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 16, 2009 9:38:12 GMT -5
Georgetown, whoever you are, please, please stop calling yourself Catholic. Stop showing the promo on TV about being the oldest Catholic college in America. You are a disgrace. You used to be a great Catholic university but you have sold your soul of supposed prestige for 30 pieces of silver. You accept a President who has no problem with over 1 million human beings killed each year under the change-the-subject title of pro-choice. You produce students and graduates that adhere to this lie. You cover the name of Jesus so a pro-abortion president is not embarassed to be seen on the stage with the name of Jesus exposed at a university that for centuries has been associated with the Society of Jesus. You still associate with the Society of Jesus that seems to have divorced itself from its earlier mantel of defenders of the faith. Please, please stop calling yourself Catholic so you can stop embarassing and blaspheming those who are true Catholics. You used to be a great institution where Catholic values were advanced. You are now a farce.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 16, 2009 9:50:03 GMT -5
It's SOP get over it. I'm Catholic, It's one of the reasons I chose Georgetown, but this is a non issue. If this speech were at ND they'd have done the same thing.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Apr 16, 2009 9:53:16 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of the power of the left to suppress the free expression of those they disagree with. Thuggish actions like that of these protestors at the end of the day limit all of our liberties in ways the fiercest critics of the Patriot Act couldn't dream of. I particularly detest this new-fangled notion that "hate speech" no matter how absurdly loosely defined that is, is not covered by "free speech" protections. The HELL ITS NOT. Ask the ACLU.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Apr 16, 2009 9:54:13 GMT -5
It's SOP get over it. I'm Catholic, It's one of the reasons I chose Georgetown, but this is a non issue. If this speech were at ND they'd have done the same thing. Can you substantiate that or are we just to shut up about this and take your word for it because this is annoying you? It matters not at all if you are Catholic or if they would have done the same thing at ND, another Catholic school...would they have done the same thing at a madrassa or a jewish school? I'm willing to believe they might, but I'm going to need some evidence to support that claim. What's the hurry to "get over it" by the way? This story is all of 60 minutes old. Is it ok for us to discuss things like this on this political board about our own school?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2009 10:46:34 GMT -5
The irony here is, if it hadn't been covered up, I'm pretty sure there would be Catholics Editeded off that it looked like the Catholic Church was endorsing a pro-choice President.
Is there any way to win here?
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