The Stig
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Post by The Stig on May 6, 2009 0:12:13 GMT -5
Wings just got SCREWED!
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Boz
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Post by Boz on May 6, 2009 8:12:42 GMT -5
Yeah they did. Right in the ear.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on May 6, 2009 11:22:57 GMT -5
That was total BS. "Intent to Blow" what a joke! There was almost a second between the time the puck went in and the whistle blew. How long does it take to get that whistle to your mouth? Should the ref be ready with it in his lips once the players start crashing the net? Detroit got punked, theyll just have to come out harder tomorrow.
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Post by hifigator on May 6, 2009 13:13:09 GMT -5
I thought it was a great call. Of course, I like the Ducks and dislike the Red Wings.
Great call!
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Post by TBird41 on May 6, 2009 21:04:23 GMT -5
Wow.
This Caps-Pens series is ridiculous.
And Game 3 isn't even over yet.
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Post by TBird41 on May 6, 2009 21:12:01 GMT -5
And now that it is, this series just got even more ridiculous.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on May 6, 2009 21:45:40 GMT -5
well, if i can play homer fan boy for a second: caps play absolutely horrible and still take the pens to overtime, win on friday and win it at home (that is the REAL reason they lost tonight, to win it at home ). Didnt see the Bos/Car game for obvious reasons, but the Bs got to step it up. I feel more confident with the Caps (if they can beat the pens of course) going up against the Bs than the canes. The Canes are a wild card and Cam Ward has never lost a play off series. They are playing like they did in 2006 and that is not a team that i want to face. (though it would do wonders for the SE division if the conference finals was a match up of SE rivals, but it wouldnt do much for TV ratings i suppose) Remind me again who thought it was a good idea to put both eastern conference games on the same night and the same time? How is that good for TV?
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Post by Boz on May 6, 2009 21:58:24 GMT -5
A little too Editeded to comment on anything (nice OT turnover, Chara!) at the moment, but I will say this:
The Carolina fans and the Carolina announcers are complete idiots. The fans don't know anything, they expect a penalty every time one of their guys gets hit, and the announcers clearly do not know the rules to the game of hockey.
I've never heard a worse called game in my life. No joke, they DO NOT know the rules.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on May 7, 2009 11:22:44 GMT -5
Boz, I'll meet you halfway. The fans are supposed to boo for a call when given a chance. They are just doing their job. Now the announcers ... well, that's another story.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on May 7, 2009 11:25:48 GMT -5
Boz, I'll meet you halfway. The fans are supposed to boo for a call when given a chance. They are just doing their job. Now the announcers ... well, that's another story. 1. Fans don't have a job. 2. If you boo every time one of your guys gets hit and you don't get a penalty, you're a jorts-wearing crybaby.
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Post by whatmaroon on May 7, 2009 11:43:30 GMT -5
Four odd goals in WAS-PIT. Yes, deflections and funny bounces are part of the game, but aside from Malkin's power play tally there was unusual oddness going on.
Time to see if the Hawks remember how to play a first period. Last home game they needed a win to ensure they wouldn't lose on the road (Gm 5 v CGY), they came out on fire, but the Nucks probably won't be nearly as cooperative in putting them on the power play.
Gm 3 was actually a good example of why I was asking about Keith and Seabrook-Bernier got in between them for the power play goal, and then Henrik's goal came after Keith's turnover in his own zone and they couldn't recover. Maybe it's partially youth/inexperience in the playoffs, but it just seems like I'm seeing a lot of vulnerability in their own zone for a highly regarded pairing.
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Post by Boz on May 7, 2009 11:57:11 GMT -5
Gm 3 was actually a good example of why I was asking about Keith and Seabrook-Bernier got in between them for the power play goal, and then Henrik's goal came after Keith's turnover in his own zone and they couldn't recover. Maybe it's partially youth/inexperience in the playoffs, but it just seems like I'm seeing a lot of vulnerability in their own zone for a highly regarded pairing. Well, look at it this way. Zdeno Chara is probably regarded as one of the best defensemen in the league and he pretty much singlehandedly gave the win to the Canes last night with some ridiculous turnovers. So, youth & inexperience, yeah sure, but more importantly, everyone makes mistakes. Some of them really, really bad ones. This is about the time that Buffalo will chime in and say "I told you that Chara does this in the playoffs." Yes, I am aware of that, but he played so well against Montreal that I thought he had gotten over that. Speaking of youth & inexperience, I am a little worried that Boston has a bit too much of it to overcome this Carolina surge, but I'm not desperate yet. They're still a great team and I think Friday will be a great game.
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Post by hifigator on May 7, 2009 11:58:34 GMT -5
Boz, I'll meet you halfway. The fans are supposed to boo for a call when given a chance. They are just doing their job. Now the announcers ... well, that's another story. 1. Fans don't have a job. 2. If you boo every time one of your guys gets hit and you don't get a penalty, you're a jorts-wearing crybaby. Umm, you aren't the nitwit you appear to be. Are you trying to say that when Hibbert took a little turnaround and there was a little body contact the Hoya fans don't make a little bit of noise? There weren't some impolite comments directed towards the refs? Please. As for it being a "job" ... well, that depends. If you base it solely on monetary rewards, then no, it's not a "job." If you base it on other types of rewards, then it certainly can be a very rewarding job. The joy that I have experienced was certainly just compensation for the efforts I have put forth at times. And in some other cases, well ... let's just say that I got "stiffed." Lastly, and without the tongue in cheek tone, you know full and well that "job" in that context has a slightly different meaning.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on May 7, 2009 12:22:47 GMT -5
1. Fans don't have a job. 2. If you boo every time one of your guys gets hit and you don't get a penalty, you're a jorts-wearing crybaby. Umm, you aren't the nitwit you appear to be. Are you trying to say that when Hibbert took a little turnaround and there was a little body contact the Hoya fans don't make a little bit of noise? There weren't some impolite comments directed towards the refs? Please. These are two different things. In Hockey there are clean checks and there are dirty checks. You boo dirty checks and you refuse to acknowledge clean checks by the opponent. In basketball any contact can technically be called a foul so if it isnt called then it is the refs fault. But a clean check SHOULDNT be called so there is not missed call by the refs and therefore they shouldnt be booed.
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Post by theexorcist on May 7, 2009 12:31:53 GMT -5
The issue was "every". There are some fanbases in every sport that whine constantly in every sport that they don't get calls (The Yankees and UNC are famous for this).
I won't fight further on the issue of fandom as a job, but I'd just say that I think you're wrong.
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Post by hifigator on May 7, 2009 12:46:32 GMT -5
fair enough ... It is actually ok to have a difference of opinion, and I will also admit that you have a point, in so much as if you "always" boo, then it probably has even less effect on the mentality of the refs, much like complaints from some players have weight while complaints from others don't.
On Edit: I do object to jgalt's suggestion that basketball has an inherant grey area while hockey does not. When is it "charging" and when is it not ? (talking about hockey) When is it a clean check, where the opponent happens to get pinned against the board and when is it "boarding?" Hooking/slashing etc... ok, those are pretty clean cut, but there is still quite a lot of contact that can be viewed differently. You can also argue quite a bit between "interference" and fortuitously, being in the right spot at the right time.
In fairness, I have certainly voiced my disapproval before only to see a replay and realize that it was actually a clean block. Who hasn't?
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Post by jgalt on May 7, 2009 18:25:19 GMT -5
fair enough ... It is actually ok to have a difference of opinion Ill agree with you hear, as a preface to what i am about to say. ;D i was actually saying the opposite. That in hockey there is a gray area but in basketball it is not because any significant contact to a player with the ball can be a foul, while in hockey there is legitimate contact and illegitimate contact (same in football) NHL Rule book: "Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice. A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner." "A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. (NOTE) Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging"." So those are actually pretty clear However, I want it to be know, Hifi, that i am not trying to start an argument only trying to educate on a clean and dirty check. Also ill reiderate that differences of opinion are good and fine by me ;D. There are difference cultures when it comes to fan and refs. In some places they boo everything, justified or not, and that is fine be me (although i dont do it). Also i dont have much room to complain about the Canes doing it because Caps fans get called out for it all the time
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Post by hifigator on May 8, 2009 2:13:10 GMT -5
I hope my level of artificial corn from a jar will still allow me to comment in an intelligible fashion. I pretty much agree with what you have said, aside from the implication -- and maybe I am misquoting you one this -- and if so, please correct me. In any case, I thought you implied that there wasn't the grey area in hockey -- thus my basketball analogy. I still agree that it isn't quite as clear as those who watch/care about the outcome would acknowledge. Still, I don't think that quoting the rule book should prove that hockey doesn't have the same grey area.
Either way, it is far too late ...
For the record, if the discussion turns specifically to "dirty" checks ... or dirty anything for that matter, then I'm positive we would be on the same side.
Still, interference/charging/boarding are inherently subjective in my opinion. So, I guess they are subjectively subjective?
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Post by jgalt on May 8, 2009 7:40:13 GMT -5
I think it is just a difference of opinion ;D and really its not like its a big deal, there are too many awesome games going on now to argue about this, so Hifi, as gentlemen we shall agree to disagree ;D
Didnt catch any of the games last night, Detroit and Chicago got must wins. Was the Detroit game really as lop sided as the score shows?
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Post by Boz on May 8, 2009 8:04:22 GMT -5
I think it is just a difference of opinion ;D and really its not like its a big deal, there are too many awesome games going on now to argue about this, so Hifi, as gentlemen we shall agree to disagree ;D Didnt catch any of the games last night, Detroit and Chicago got must wins. Was the Detroit game really as lop sided as the score shows? If Detroit ever figures out how good they really are, no one is going to beat them. It was competitive for the first period and part of the second. Detroit then just went into another gear that Anaheim doesn't have....nor does pretty much any other team, for that matter. They haven't been consistently "on" in these plaoffs, that's for sure. But when they are on, they are nearly unstoppable. Big games tonight. I am extremely nervous, but I have to believe that Boston is going to show up with a vengeance. If they don't, well then they probably never would in these playoffs. I have no idea what is going to happen in the Caps-Pens game, except that Ovie and Crosby will both score. Outside of that, who the heck knows. The Caps haven't been playing great, but they've been winning. Pittsburgh's been outplaying them in almost every facet, but are up against THE hot goalie of these playoffs (apologies to Roberto Luongo & Cam Ward). I'm 90% sure this game will be close down to the last minutes again, but if it's not, if one team wins comfortably, I think that team is going to be Pittsburgh. And I say that thinking that I'm pretty sure I just made jgalt feel better. Everyone loves it when someone picks against you, don't they?
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