dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 1, 2009 12:53:34 GMT -5
OMG. Kevin Sheehan on espn980.com is saying that Maryland is a top 10 most sought after basketball coaching position (if it were available) and that Georgetown is NOT considered or should not be on the list because 1) poor facilities 2) been coached by the same family for years. Wha? ?? He says, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Duke are the most sought after coaching jobs (if the current coaches weren't there).... C'mon Kev! chi www.theworldlovepoem.com
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 1, 2009 13:24:49 GMT -5
UCLA, UNC, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, Kansas, UConn, Arizona, Mich State are my clear top 9. I'm having trouble coming up with a number 10 but neither Georgetown or Maryland would be under consideration. Maybe Texas or Ohio State. Both have unbelievable facilities.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 1, 2009 13:30:42 GMT -5
Louisville is better than Maryland. Florida possibly. Texas. Michigan is honestly in there. Villanova. Us. USC should be in the discussion and possibly Washington/Oregon.
Maryland has no real edge over Wake or NC State or any number of moderately successful ACC programs.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 1, 2009 13:40:10 GMT -5
Louisville is better than Maryland. Florida possibly. Texas. Michigan is honestly in there. Villanova. Us. USC should be in the discussion and possibly Washington/Oregon. Maryland has no real edge over Wake or NC State or any number of moderately successful ACC programs. Well, Maryland is located in one of the best areas for basketball talent in the country, which is an edge it has over Wake and NC State.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 1, 2009 14:51:28 GMT -5
We honestly don't know how well a coach not part of the Georgetown family would do here because we don't have any examples of that from the modern era. One advantage we have over Maryland and many other schools is that Men's Basketball is undeniably top dog here. Gary and Terp fans complain that their administration cares too much about non revenue sports (particularly womens basketball) at the detriment to their program.
Whether this is a good or bad thing is debatable but from a coach's standpoint its a positive
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Post by hifigator on Apr 1, 2009 15:15:30 GMT -5
UCLA, UNC, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, Kansas, UConn, Arizona, Mich State are my clear top 9. I'm having trouble coming up with a number 10 but neither Georgetown or Maryland would be under consideration. Maybe Texas or Ohio State. Both have unbelievable facilities. It's tough to argue with your list there. I don't personally put Michigan St. on the list, but I totally credit Izzo for the job he has done. I think the number is 5 Final Fours in 11 years. Still, while that is a good job, I don't think it would be among the elite of the elites. In no particular order, I would put UCLA, UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas and Arizona. I think those 7 would have to be on anyone's top ten list. I guess UConn would be in the next grouping, but I don't think I would put the program as a whole, including not just the current state but also the history and pedigree, quite at the level of those other 7. As for the other 2, I think that any list of "best jobs" has to strongly consider Texas. Austin is just such a great place, and they have some basketball tradition, just not as much as most of those other teams.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 1, 2009 15:21:55 GMT -5
Georgetown has poor facilities, no on-campus arena, no football money, higher admissions standards, a meager alumni base. On the bright side, we have a fair amount of history, an NCAA championship in the modern era, a basketball-first mentality, and an undemanding fan base. On the good and bad, we're in the Big East.
The "coached by the same family" item is a wash - people loved Esh before the Dark Times - if III left, the coaching choice wouldn't be limited to Ronnie. With that said, Georgetown would almost certainly never do a Calipari hire - almost everyone who would be interviewed would have a connection to the program.
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Post by Boz on Apr 1, 2009 15:31:34 GMT -5
What about UConn? Or even Syracuse?
No, I wouldn't put them up there with UCLA, UNC or Duke, but I'd certainly put them in the top 10 ahead of Maryland.
Of course, Satancuse is a moot point since Magoo has already picked his successor, and by the time Hopkins is done, that won't be a sought-after job at all.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Apr 1, 2009 15:52:12 GMT -5
Georgetown has poor facilities, no on-campus arena, no football money, higher admissions standards, a meager alumni base. On the bright side, we have a fair amount of history, an NCAA championship in the modern era, a basketball-first mentality, and an undemanding fan base. On the good and bad, we're in the Big East. The "coached by the same family" item is a wash - people loved Esh before the Dark Times - if III left, the coaching choice wouldn't be limited to Ronnie. With that said, Georgetown would almost certainly never do a Calipari hire - almost everyone who would be interviewed would have a connection to the program. Well there are ways to change everything except for higher admission standards. I think the Big East part helped our facade a lot this year.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 1, 2009 16:00:58 GMT -5
What about UConn? Or even Syracuse? No, I wouldn't put them up there with UCLA, UNC or Duke, but I'd certainly put them in the top 10 ahead of Maryland. Of course, Satancuse is a moot point since Magoo has already picked his successor, and by the time Hopkins is done, that won't be a sought-after job at all. I'd disagree. Syracuse is a private school whose prime recruiting ground of western New York state is quickly depopulating. UConn is near NYC, but Connecticut is a small state. Maryland, by contrast, is located in a fertile recruiting ground that is three hours' drive from some of the best places for talent (NYC, Philly, Baltimore/DC, Hampton Roads). They are the state school for players from Baltimore and PG County, both of which are excellent and routinely churn out top talent. They plan in a major conference, they have football money (but are a basketball school). The fan base does not have outsized expectations. Best jobs? Kansas, Indiana, UCLA, Kentucky, UNC and Duke. In the tier below that, things get tricky - Texas and Ohio State have great facilities, but you'll never rule the school. Arizona has great tradition, but they have a major in-state competitor and you don't know how much of their success was Lute. The entire SEC except for Kentucky awaits football practice - and when they do pay attention, their expectations are outsized. Maybe Illinois or Michigan? Michigan State is the second-class school in the state, and, if you slip and all the kids go to Ann Arbor instead of Sparty, you're doomed. Maryland probably belongs in the top ten jobs.
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Post by Filo on Apr 2, 2009 9:20:56 GMT -5
Nah, I disagree on the Terps job. I don't really have that big of an axe to grind with the program, although I despise GW, I just can't see why a top coach would choose to constantly live in the shadow of Duke and UNC, rarely sharing the limelight with them, when he could go to a UConn or 'Cuse and have a shot at being top dog, year in and year out, in the most competitive conference in the country.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 2, 2009 9:29:35 GMT -5
Texas, Ohio State, Tennessee, UConn, Cuse, Wake Forrest, Oregon, Illinois are all around the same desirability levels as Gtown in my opinion.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 2, 2009 10:23:06 GMT -5
Nah, I disagree on the Terps job. I don't really have that big of an axe to grind with the program, although I despise GW, I just can't see why a top coach would choose to constantly live in the shadow of Duke and UNC, rarely sharing the limelight with them, when he could go to a UConn or 'Cuse and have a shot at being top dog, year in and year out, in the most competitive conference in the country. Any Maryland coach doesn't live in the shadow of Duke and UNC - that's State and Wake. Maryland competes directly with Georgetown for media space in this area - and the Post has made it pretty clear that there's much more interest in the Terps. With a well-run Maryland program with a good recruiter, there's no reason why the Terps should get at least one top-flight recruit a year, minimum. The question I always have with UConn and 'Cuse are whether they sustain their success post-Boeheim and Calhoun. It gets really cold in upstate New York, and neither has a fertile recruiting ground. Most of Syracuse and Connecticut's players aren't from the area (a little less than 50%). Compare that to Michigan State, which has one guy from Georgia and one from Nigeria on a roster that's otherwise stocked with people from Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
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Post by Filo on Apr 2, 2009 11:56:35 GMT -5
I don't disagree if you are talking local recruiting and, possibly, local coverage,* but that's just one segment. UMCP is clearly in the shadows of Duke and UNC in terms of national exposure and national recruits. So I still stick with my opinion -- would rather have the chance to be top dog in the Big East as opposed to second, and sometimes third, tier in the ACC.
*I only say possibly in regard to local coverage because DC is such a horrible sports town, that local dominance is not that great of a prize. But, the Terps should be able to extend the dominance to Baltimore.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 2, 2009 13:54:24 GMT -5
Trying to relate this particular topic to the grander scale, I wonder how much is legitimate perception and how much is legitimate worth.
My point is that some schools have "tradition" and are deserving of the prestige which goes with that tradition, while other's have the tradition, but are living on the laurels of yesteryear.
The obvious example is Notre Dame football.
I'm not saying that Maryland is viewed in even remotely the same light, but my point is if we are asking the question "best job," how much weight do we put on the "tradition?" ... especially if said tradition is "old news?"
The Maryland job has a lot of attractive qualities. As several have mentioned, there is a great recruiting base. They are also in the very visible ACC. They have "names" such as Lefty Dresell (sp?) in their past. But in today's world, just how far up should they be on the pecking order? From the biased SE view, I wouldn't put them in that elite category, and if truth be told, not really even that close.
Am I wrong?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 2, 2009 15:09:38 GMT -5
Prestige is just one component of best job.
We're all kind of ignoring pay, which is probably, you know, #1. Certain schools are willing and able to shell out more than others.
Location, history, fan support, admin support, conference, etc.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 2, 2009 16:05:40 GMT -5
SF, I don't think anyone was intending to ignore pay, and I guess if you think about it along those lines, you could certainly argue that the pay scale dictates the desirability. Although I'm not sure that I would agree with that. I love Billy D., but I wouldn't even suggest that UF is the 3rd most desirable coaching job. I think it is higher on the list than many would suggest, but 3rd? Yet he is the 3rd highest paid coach.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 2, 2009 16:45:32 GMT -5
Please tell us the route you take to get from College Park to NYC in 3 hours.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 2, 2009 21:10:45 GMT -5
Please tell us the route you take to get from College Park to NYC in 3 hours. Goddard's nearby. Maybe jet pack?
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 2, 2009 21:17:26 GMT -5
Please tell us the route you take to get from College Park to NYC in 3 hours. The Stonecutters' secret tunnel. You mean you're not a member? Yes, point taken.
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