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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Mar 23, 2009 10:17:46 GMT -5
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hoyasexy
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 23, 2009 10:53:49 GMT -5
Here's a recap: The Princeton offense kills recruiting because all recruits want to run in an uptempo offense. All evidence to the contrary.
Seen it many times before. Opposing coaches will always make the argument, and certain kids will be turned off by it, probably the same kind of players in whom the staff will have little interest anyway. Yet it seems that they do very well in the recruiting game nonetheless.
Why ask the question when all the evidence demonstrates the answer?
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 12, 2009 11:27:07 GMT -5
Im wondering is this the reason why alot of kids arent looking at us. I read a few articles on rivals and failed to see us listed for top kids. A year ago we were everybody's favorite. After hearing this from some recruits Im getting worried; is our offense the problem? I haven't lost faith in it. I watched our game vs UNC in 2007 and noticed we were a better shooting team and we played more as a team. That team also grew together where this team was pretty new players in new roles. The transfers hurt us not the offense. Jeff Green was a lottery pick in our offense. Trust me dont quit on our offense now. Lets give these kids another year first.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 12, 2009 11:33:26 GMT -5
the way we have RUN the offense has to have hurt us...esp this year.....we simply didn't run anything and played stagnant basketball.......the way our offense WILL be run and is SUPPOSED to be run shouldn't hurt it. If we are running it like we should and continue to push the ball on the break I would think we would have a desirable offense...no coincidence we were a hot commodity as early as a year ago. The real test is next year if we can get back to doing it right. We will be fine
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Post by tpk3 on Apr 12, 2009 11:34:35 GMT -5
That's the way the world of recruiting goes. you can be hot one minute and cold the next. Bottom line is if we are winning and developing players then we won't have any problem getting quality players. This year if Greg stays and the returning players come back improved and focus then i think we can be a contender. This system has won.....alot. And this system in a short period of time has already developed players capable of playing well at the next level.
Don't read too much into rivals. We are not popular with the head recruiting analyst over there.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 12, 2009 11:38:24 GMT -5
Oh thanks for the info.
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Post by the_way on Apr 12, 2009 16:52:54 GMT -5
Princeton offense gets a bad rap, and so does JTIII's association with it. ITs as if JTIII can't coach and all he does is just plug in players like its a formula and it works. Many coaches use the offense, but not the degree of success JTIII has had. JTIII is a heck of a coach.
Players don't care about uptempo offenses as much as they do about getting into the NBA.
JTIII hasn't been here long enough to have a track record of NBA players that have played for him. At Princeton, thats understandable. Since he has been at G-town, he has had Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert...big men. Which, again aren't necessarily byproducts of the Princeton, but the fact that they were great/good players being coached by a great coach.
Other than that, JTIII has not produced any guards/wings to the NBA. And recruits look at that. Thats why they may shy away. Not an uptempo thing.
Plus, the whole team concept is a hard sell with me-first players anyway. Those type of kids are the ones you don't want. IN their feeble minds, they won't be able to show their individual skills for NBA scouts playing the selfless/team concept. But what they (and their hangers-on) fail to understand is that JTIII is a great fundamentals coach. That has nothing to do with the system. And if you have natural skill and combine that with the fundamentals taught by JTIII, you'll get to the NBA (See Jeff and Roy). Again, not necessarily a system thing. Both of these guys weren't highly recruited out of high school.
Folks just gotta look past the labels and think long-term.
But what is hurting JTIII now, is that unlike Roy and Jeff, guys like Wright, Summers, Monroe, Macklin? and Freeman were highly ranked coming out of high school and highly recruited and they come to G-town and have nothing to show for it. Summers barely improved anything but his FG %. Monroe was supposed to be a one and done, yet didn't have that type of year to warrant that. Wright and Freeman are doing okay, but don't scream NBA players in the making like Jeff and Roy did.
Again, recruits look at that.
So, i would say, its not the system. Its not the coach nor his teachings. Its the type of talent JTIII recruits and is able to develop and mold into NBA players. Some have worked out (Jeff and Roy), some have had mixed and lukewarm results thus far. And the lukewarm results hurt recruiting.
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