3xhoya
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Post by 3xhoya on Feb 7, 2009 14:55:49 GMT -5
I am really confused by the whole Sapp thing. Yes he is not having a good season, but who the hell is that should be in there for him. He is one of the only players who has been on the teams that can gut out a win and he has not been out on the court for any of our close end of games. Something is going on that he is not even getting an opportunity to try, which he should be because nothing else seems to work.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 7, 2009 14:55:55 GMT -5
And the NCAA tournament slips further out of reach... In all reality, its gone. We need to sweep our games against Top 10 teams in order to make it to the tournament - I don't think that's going to happen, nor do I think that we can win 5 or 6 games to get an automatic bid.
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Post by guru on Feb 7, 2009 14:55:58 GMT -5
You cannot win in the Big East, when you essentially go scoreless in the last 5 minutes of regulation and ALL of overtime. Just doesn't work. I hope there is an explanation as to why their only senior, Jessie, is on the bench for the entire 2nd half. I hope he was just hurt. If not, they have lost him for the season. Talk about clubhouse energy. Talk about senior maturity. He has been there through thick and thin and would be the only player who was NEVER about stats and could keep this 4 McD ALL-Americans team in check. With him lost, I fear that we will have no more than 6-12 in our future, and that may be a stretch. This team reminds me of the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Payton and Malone (they didn't get a sniff at playoffs)- Not enough basketballs to keep them all happy- only play with one. I don't think it's a selfish thing - this team just doesn't play well together, and it completly collapses at the first hint of adversity. It's not a well put together team, but it's also young so we should just start thinking of the rest of this season as a chance to grow and be ready to be competitive again next year. I fear what will happen a week from today in the Dome.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 7, 2009 14:56:35 GMT -5
It was a struggle all the way and Georgetown took them into overtime but the Cincinnati Bearcats successfully halted the Hoyas one game winning streak.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Feb 7, 2009 14:58:13 GMT -5
Hard to win when your starters go 13-44. Plain and simple.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 7, 2009 14:58:48 GMT -5
Wake me up when we have a PG who can make a correct decision for once. 1-on-3 drives by himself. Shying away from contact. Still unable to create shots for anyone else. I don't want to hear the BS that he makes more mistakes than a guy like JWal because he's more talented. 13 seconds left... DON'T DRIBBLE OUR SEASON AWAY.
Awful job by the staff: did they tell all the players that they can run the baseline to inbound after a make? And if you're going to call a timeout on the last possession... do it when we cross halfcourt with 20 seconds left, not before nearly turning the ball over 7-8 seconds later. Then again, we would've just watched Chris Wright dribble on the perimeter for 18 seconds instead of 10, trying to figure out what to do.
I haven't been this frustrated with a Georgetown team since Esh. There. I said it.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 7, 2009 14:59:13 GMT -5
It was a struggle all the way and Georgetown took them into overtime but the Cincinnati Bearcats successfully halted the Hoyas one game winning streak. Thank you for that. I'm laughing my ass off.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 7, 2009 15:02:34 GMT -5
ummm, Momzer,
not to poke holes in your last post, but that laker team with malone and payton went to the nba finals that year...that's hardly (not sniffing the playoffs)....
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 7, 2009 15:02:37 GMT -5
You cannot win in the Big East, when you essentially go scoreless in the last 5 minutes of regulation and ALL of overtime. Just doesn't work. I hope there is an explanation as to why their only senior, Jessie, is on the bench for the entire 2nd half. I hope he was just hurt. If not, they have lost him for the season. Talk about clubhouse energy. Talk about senior maturity. He has been there through thick and thin and would be the only player who was NEVER about stats and could keep this 4 McD ALL-Americans team in check. With him lost, I fear that we will have no more than 6-12 in our future, and that may be a stretch. This team reminds me of the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Payton and Malone (they didn't get a sniff at playoffs)- Not enough basketballs to keep them all happy- only play with one. I didn't see a selfish basketball team out there. I saw a frustrated basketball team that is unsure of what to do. Look this loss hurts. Might have cost us a chance at the NCAA tournament. But there were still some positives. While RDF said that they didn't respond, and they went and hid, I agree to some extent. Offensively they did that, but defensively, for the first time I have seen all season, they got key stops when they needed them. The main problem I had with the team back when we were playing well is that we are unable to get big stops defensively. We were able to counter that with good offense early. Now however we are able to get the stops we couldn't get earlier, but we are unable to get the offense. Right now, I think we are showing signs of being a very young team, that lost essentially seven players from last year playing in an extremely expierenced league. It stinks, but its life, we are going to have to deal with it. On the bright side, however, as long as Monroe comes back(and honestly I haven't seen anything that says he is ready to compete in the NBA, high draft stock or not) next year we will be an expierenced team in a league with a bunch of rebuilding teams. As a fan this is really hard to take, butfor the team it is whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 7, 2009 15:08:46 GMT -5
We are just not that good this year. That is all there is to it, in my opinion. I didnt think we played all that bad. I could count on one hand how many offensive rebounds I remember us giving up. But, when you dont have it, you dont have it. We happened to get our good wins early in the season. Maryland beat Michigan State, too, folks. I am not trying to be cynical, it's just the way it it. Hopefully, we can pull off a couple of more upsets and sneak our way into the tourney, because I'd love the shot at being the underdog then, but, not sure that is going to happen.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 7, 2009 15:11:26 GMT -5
Wake me up when we have a PG who can make a correct decision for once. 1-on-3 drives by himself. Shying away from contact. Still unable to create shots for anyone else. I don't want to hear the BS that he makes more mistakes than a guy like JWal because he's more talented. 13 seconds left... DON'T DRIBBLE OUR SEASON AWAY. Awful job by the staff: did they tell all the players that they can run the baseline to inbound after a make? And if you're going to call a timeout on the last possession... do it when we cross halfcourt with 20 seconds left, not before nearly turning the ball over 7-8 seconds later. Then again, we would've just watched Chris Wright dribble on the perimeter for 18 seconds instead of 10, trying to figure out what to do. I haven't been this frustrated with a Georgetown team since Esh. There. I said it. Of course we are going to blame Chris Wright for this loss. I mean there are no other canidates his 5 assist, 1or two turnover ratio was obviously just luck. Not to mention he did a really good job guarding Vaughn, most of his points came when Chris was on the bench. But no, lets point to the last play, which we have no idea what the play was, and say he had a horrible game that cost us. Monroe had a great statline, BUT he simply made too many bad plays down the strech that you simply can't make and expect to win the game. This loss certainly shouldn't be pegged on him either, but he gets absolutly NO critisim from this board, and it all gets heaped on Chris Wright. Wright and Monroe had the best games from our team and probably played equally, and they BOTH made bad decisions down the strech that hurt us.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2009 15:14:21 GMT -5
I too am disappointed, but I saw a LOT of positives. Bench was productive. Team recovered from awful start. Nikita a factor on Offense. Team took it to OT. Greg gave Max effort, but missed OT FTs. I am not giving up on this team. They looked much better than vs. Seton hall, losing to WVU. Cincy is better than we give them credit for. JT3 needs to keep making progress, keep the team with him, don't give up on these guys. "Team took it to OT" ? We were up big, played weak down the stretch yet again - how is that a positive? And while one or two individuals may have progressed, team has a whole has regressed terribly. No chance we win at Syracuse next week - none.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 7, 2009 15:17:08 GMT -5
I too am disappointed, but I saw a LOT of positives. Bench was productive. Team recovered from awful start. Nikita a factor on Offense. Team took it to OT. Greg gave Max effort, but missed OT FTs. I am not giving up on this team. They looked much better than vs. Seton hall, losing to WVU. Cincy is better than we give them credit for. JT3 needs to keep making progress, keep the team with him, don't give up on these guys. "Team took it to OT" ? We were up big, played weak down the stretch yet again - how is that a positive? And while one or two individuals may have progressed, team has a whole has regressed terribly. No chance we win at Syracuse next week - none. Because Syracuse is a team on roll. They are slumping just as badly as us. Saturday might be the tale of two seasons.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 7, 2009 15:17:45 GMT -5
agree with sleepy there...I think we'll be a very good team next year. I honestly hope dajuan goes to the league. He doesn't want to be here, doesn't buy into the system and at this point he'd be addition by subtraction. Maybe my feelings will change in time, but that's how I feel right now.
Greg's coming back, unless he wants to derail his career. He's not ready for the league. Not strong enough, not diverse enough in the post, doesn't have a lefthand. You work on that stuff in college. I love his skillset, and when he gets better at those things, he'll be an all-star someday. But not now, and I wish people would stop talking about losing him.
Chris will be fine. I'm his most ardent supporter, and I will stay that way. He made a HUGE mistake not getting that ball into Greg, but he'll be fine, as will austin. I think Greg and Henry will be great next season playing next to each other. I'd love to see nikita at the three with those two, austin and chris in the backcourt with Julian, Jason and Hollis making up the depth.
If dajuan wants to come back, play defense, take open jumpers, rebound and actually work on his terrible hands and penchant for unforced turnovers, fine, I'd love to see him back.
The dajuan from this year? go to the league, son. Good luck
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 7, 2009 15:18:11 GMT -5
Hard to win when your starters go 13-44. Plain and simple. This post sums it up. We can do all the analysis we want but the bottom line is the 4 guys the team counted on hitting the open shot are just not hitting that shot, especially Summers(2-7),Freeman(3-9) and Wright(2-8). The shot doctor needs to make a house call or this season is toast.
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Post by richfame on Feb 7, 2009 15:18:21 GMT -5
I totally agree with FRAZIER this should hav been a 12 point win for the hoyas. Wheres summers? can he leave for the NBA yet?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 7, 2009 15:19:22 GMT -5
when talking about greg in the post, I meant to say righthand
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Post by guru on Feb 7, 2009 15:30:21 GMT -5
I honestly think that there is only one game remaining that we can say we should win - DePaul at home. Otherwise, I'm not sure I'd have us favored to win any of the other games. We have exactly one road win this season so I'm far from ready to say that the games at USF and St. John's are automatics. We may not even make the NIT - seriously.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2009 15:44:26 GMT -5
"Team took it to OT" ? We were up big, played weak down the stretch yet again - how is that a positive? And while one or two individuals may have progressed, team has a whole has regressed terribly. No chance we win at Syracuse next week - none. Because Syracuse is a team on roll. They are slumping just as badly as us. Saturday might be the tale of two seasons. At their place, with their "Orange -Out" crowd screaming, with a game they will absolutely need after they lose to UConn Wednesday - our team can't suck it up at home, against a team that pimp-slapped us 2 weeks ago - why would we possibly think we have the cojones to win next week?
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Post by tashoya on Feb 7, 2009 15:44:26 GMT -5
Much better effort on defense today.... finally.
I hope Jesse has a minor injury and that's why he sat. We missed experience on the floor late. I noticed last game, and maybe it's just me, but Jesse looks like he's lost quite a bit of weight since the beginning of the year and not in a good way. Anyone else notice this?
Jason Clark throwing those balls in the stands were such overly thrown passes that they were actually funny. Love the kid though. I think he's gonna be really good next year. Luckily, we don't need him to be good this year cuz put a fork in us.
Where was Henry? I'd like to see more of him from here on out since we should be in a "getting ready" mode for next year.
Greg had a good game again. Some bad decisions but he's a freshman. He played great D for the most part.
Nikita.... more good minutes. Love the hustle. I'd like to see him take a few more shots.
Nice minutes from Omar and Julian. I hate seeing JV put it on the floor which I saw twice today but he was really going after rebounds and playing nice D.
No comment on Austin or DaJuan.
We REALLY need to figure out how to inbound on a weak press.
CW played great defense today. Yes he made some bad decisions again but he's getting better. It seems to me that he doesn't make all that many bad "decisions" so much as he's constantly leaving his feet thus forcing himself to make a bad play. I saw that on at least 4 plays today. I wonder if it's cuz he's a smaller guy but he's gotta stop leaving his feet before knowing what he's trying to do.
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