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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jan 31, 2009 22:06:37 GMT -5
Just looked at the box score. I know it's the total that counts but still it does show that when everyone was running around and sweating, we could beat this top 10 team.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jan 31, 2009 22:27:13 GMT -5
When the other guys have 38 foul shots and you have 13, you have to make up 25 points or 12.5 posessions. We aren't 12 posessions better than a top 10 team. But with a Number 1 SOS, we know what to do and in any NCAA situation, where the court goes up to as many as 7 posessions against us, we can still win. I still think we are better off having played UConn, Duke , Pittsburgh, Marquette, Memphis (when did they last lose) and Syracuse even if we are going through pain now.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 31, 2009 23:11:26 GMT -5
IMO, if you're looking for an encouraging offensive statistic to take from this game, I'd go with the ratio of assists to field goals. This had been lacking during the losing streak. When we're getting a higher ratio of assists to field goals, that is usually a positive sign for how we're running our offense.
When it comes to the FT disparity today, you have to keep one point at the forefront: Marquette earned those FT attempts. Nobody decides arbitrarily before a game that Team A will be docked 12.5 possessions*. I didn't get to watch the Cincinnati game, but I sure know from in-person viewing experience that Seton Hall "earned" its FTs through our sloppy turnovers leading to runouts and our inability to stop one particular baseline play they ran over and over. It's instructive to note that today Nikita fouled out and two of our guards had 4 fouls...says a lot about what went down today.
It's fair to note that we just aren't 12 possessions better than a Top 10 team...and I kinda know this was where you were going with the point, but IMO it needs to be spelled out even more explicitly:
We just can't keep throwing away defensive possessions by sending teams to the line b/c of poor defense.
(*Possibly Curtis Shaw.)
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 1, 2009 4:07:30 GMT -5
I absolutely love hating on referees. Love it. As in, the most fun I have is the odd 3-4 games per year that are horribly officiated, and even more is the one that is atrociously officiated (*cough* Duke *cough). I never occurred to me how horribly we were outshot at the line, which tells me that it was a well-officiated game. That team was good. Real good. They earned every statistical disparity they got. More turnovers, more free throws.
I know you're not talking bad about our team at all, but this thread made me realize how solid a team we lost to. They created every one of the opportunities they got in the second half. Forced a TO, foul on the fast break. Swarming defense when they needed it, running the other way. I've watched a lot of games, seen UNC in person, and this MU team looked phenomenal tonight.
The plus for the Hoyas, in my mind, is that team at least knows the difference now in the level of play needed to beat a team like that. They've seen it twice now in this game and Duke. It wasn't there today in the second half, but hopefully the guys see that playing a 1st half the way they did and matching it in the 2nd half equals a shot against any team in the country.
I'll take 56% and a smarter, better team that cuts its TOs to 12/pg against anyone. Now, they just need to figure out how you do that for 40 minutes, game in and game out.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 1, 2009 10:27:39 GMT -5
Amen!
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