DonkDonk
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Post by DonkDonk on Jan 28, 2009 10:37:58 GMT -5
After last night's unsurprising meltdown against BC, Gary still had to field questions about a recruiting problem and revealed some infighting with the AD's office. www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-sp.williams28jan28,0,2233211.story I can't believe how much pleasure I take in watching the Twerps squirm (I was a huge fan before I went to Gtown). Stuff like this can only be good for the Hoyas. btw, I only post this thread because i find it newsworthy with our rise and UM's fall (in case people get mad about posting non-Hoya articles). For instance, there is absolutely no way that we would have gotten a guy like Sims 10 years ago...I don't think anyone would argue that we have definite inroads in Baltimore / PG County as a direct result of Maryland's decline. |
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Post by The Stig on Jan 28, 2009 10:55:30 GMT -5
It might not be all good for the Hoyas. If Gary gets canned and replaced with somebody competent who understands the concept of local recruiting, things will be tougher for us. Gary staying at the helm at Maryland is good for the Hoyas.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Jan 28, 2009 11:09:46 GMT -5
Agreed
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Jan 28, 2009 11:28:51 GMT -5
a couple more losses and so will we. Just worry about us for now
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Post by justabballfan on Jan 28, 2009 11:50:52 GMT -5
Gary Williams is done. Unfortunatley for the Hoyas I believe Maryland will let go of Williams after the season and persue Mike Bray from Notre Dame.
Bray is from Maryland, coached at DeMatha, and has a ton of ties to the area. It makes sense.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 28, 2009 12:39:26 GMT -5
Not that it matters who you root for, but all Georgetown fans should be rooting for Maryland right now. First, because we beat them, and as of right now it can't hurt to get a little RPI boost. Second and more importantly, we WANT Gary as their coach, and if they don't turn it around soon he almost has to resign or he'll be let go. Gary is great for us because he refuses to make friends on the AAU circuit and is unwilling to go out and scout high school kids even if they play nearby. That's why for the last several years they really haven't had any top level recruits and had a lot of under the radar guys or guys who were interested in going to other high majors but never got offered.
If you put a coach in Gary's position who is even a decent recruiter, the battle for local recruits gets a hundred times more difficult. Maryland has a ton of things going for it--great facilities, playing in a high profile conference, very fertile recruiting ground. The only thing that really holds them back is the fact that Gary is too stubborn and/or lazy to make the effort to recruit top talent. If you get a coach there who IS willing to do that, they're going to be very formidable.
The guy their fans are talking up on their message boards is Anthony Grant from VCU, who I do NOT want to see there. Grant is young, very smooth, and a very good recruiter. He was one of the main guys who recruited Florid's back to back championship teams, and he's done a nice job at VCU. You take him and put him in Comcast, the ACC and a campus right outside DC and look out. All of a sudden kids from Baltimore area, DC area, Virginia and really all through the northeast have a new option to consider. That's bad news for the Hoyas--not to say we wouldnt still win some battles and also get good talent from elsewhere, but it's obviously bad to have a strong competitor in your backyard.
JTIII has done great with recruits, primarily because he's relatively young, plays in a good conference, relates well to the kids and is very hungry and works hard on the trail. If you put Anthony Grant at Maryland he's basically got all of those same things going for him PLUS great facilities that gives him some advantage over III. So yea, where Georgetown has been the "cool" destination for area recruits the last several years (Summers, Macklin, Freeman, Wright, Sims, Clark and lots of others that we could have had but passed on like Reynolds, Vaughn the first time around, McClain, Vinson, and tons more), you could see Maryland become the "cool" place, and that would be unfortunate.
Not sure if Brey would leave Notre Dame--Maryland is clearly a good job but I don't know what the comparison based on money is. I've heard names like Wright, Dixon and Capel mentioned too but doubt there's anything to those.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 28, 2009 12:49:39 GMT -5
Not that it matters who you root for, but all Georgetown fans should be rooting for Maryland right now. As Luke said to Yoda: "You want the impossible." |
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 28, 2009 14:04:21 GMT -5
I see your points RB, but I actually want a good coach up there.
Assume Gary gets fired, that ends this BS feud with Gtown. Assume Grant is the coach and does well. Now we have a REGIONAL rival that we probably would play yearly. Within 5 years that game will be as big as Gtown-Cuse except it would be local. I mean, how much fun would it be to play them every year and have it be a good game? I know we would lose recruits (mark me down as one who prefers 'system' players instead of pure talent anyway) but dang, that would be awesome to play them year in and out. 50-50 tickets at Verizon (we could get 10K gtown fans there if it were a saturday, no problem)
I am getting excited just thinking about it.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 28, 2009 14:18:19 GMT -5
I'm with you there Boz. I can't stand it when other Gators tell me that we "need" FSU to win for our strength of schedule. Tough, too bad! I don't want FSU to score a point, a goal, a basket, a run or anything else. I want them to get shut out in every single game and eventually shut the whole place down for a lack of interest. I know we feel the same way about Cuse, and it sure seems like Maryland is in that same bag. I guess I am going to have to kick up my hatred for the turtles. Right now I sort of think of them more like Kentucky. I strongly dislike their hoops team, but for the most part sort of consider them largely irrelevant.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jan 28, 2009 14:29:35 GMT -5
Not that it matters who you root for, but all Georgetown fans should be rooting for Maryland right now. As Luke said to Yoda: "You want the impossible." If Ford and Toyota could successfully con the White House into believing that they really wanted a federal bailout for GM and Chrysler "for the good of the auto industry" ... well damn it Boz, I guess I can pretend to want Maryland basketball to succeed. The local hoops scene needs them!! |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 28, 2009 14:38:18 GMT -5
I see your points RB, but I actually want a good coach up there. Assume Gary gets fired, that ends this BS feud with Gtown. Assume Grant is the coach and does well. Now we have a REGIONAL rival that we probably would play yearly. Within 5 years that game will be as big as Gtown-Cuse except it would be local. I mean, how much fun would it be to play them every year and have it be a good game? I know we would lose recruits (mark me down as one who prefers 'system' players instead of pure talent anyway) but dang, that would be awesome to play them year in and out. 50-50 tickets at Verizon (we could get 10K gtown fans there if it were a saturday, no problem) I am getting excited just thinking about it. I'd rather see exciting games against syracuse and other ACC teams rather then MD....be careful what you wish for....RB is right our recruiting would get a lot harder if we have UMD back on the scene as a national power |
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Post by Bay99 on Jan 28, 2009 14:59:43 GMT -5
This story has made the front page of ESPN.com: Williams contradicts school account sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3866644Williams' latest volley: "Kathy Worthington doesn't speak for me, she has never won a national championship, she has never done anything. She's an associate AD. This is just giving you guys stuff to make me look bad." |
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Post by Boz on Jan 28, 2009 15:14:32 GMT -5
This story has made the front page of ESPN.com: Williams contradicts school account sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3866644Williams' latest volley: "Kathy Worthington doesn't speak for me, she has never won a national championship, she has never done anything. She's an associate AD. This is just giving you guys stuff to make me look bad." See here's my problem. On the facts, I would actually DEFEND Gary Williams, or any other coach, on what happened. Gus Gilchrist wants to leave and go to another program....what's Gary supposed to do, say, "No, I'm not letting you leave!"? What a PR nightmare that would be. And as for Evans, Gary doesn't want to take a player who was dishonest about his criminal reocrd? Are we really supposed to do anything but applaud that? At most I would say, "Wow, Gary, you'll usually take anybody. This is not like you." So, on what actually happened, Gary did the right thing in both cases. Ahh, but then he has to go and open his mouth. And then I remember, this is a man who is not worth defending for anything! Am I the only one who read this derisive comment about the "associate AD" and thought, "Wow! That sure sounds a lot like I'll be coaching here 30 years from now!"? I think The Sweaty One is done at UMCP no matter what, so I might as well root for them to lose. |
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Post by greenmachine on Jan 28, 2009 15:22:43 GMT -5
On Doc Walker's show this morning, they were throwing around Ronnie Thompson's name because "he can coach," recruit, and has ties to the program. I'm not really that familiar with Ronnie's (Ron according to Doc) coaching skills at GU, but obviously Ball State was a bad situation. Would they really go after him for head coach? I mean no offense to Ronnie, but what has he done to prove he could coach at ACC school with a great bball history?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 15:26:52 GMT -5
On Doc Walker's show this morning, they were throwing around Ronnie Thompson's name because "he can coach," recruit, and has ties to the program. I'm not really that familiar with Ronnie's (Ron according to Doc) coaching skills at GU, but obviously Ball State was a bad situation. Would they really go after him for head coach? I mean no offense to Ronnie, but what has he done to prove he could coach at ACC school with a great bball history? Well, then we'd never play them. III scheduled that Ball State series with Ronnie as a favor - the kind of favor Ronnie won't need if he's at MD. Plus, he'd probably recruit every inbounding specialist in DC/MD/VA. Then we'd be screwed. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 11, 2009 21:57:16 GMT -5
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