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Post by Fan Of The Game on Nov 30, 2008 22:58:53 GMT -5
Frankly we just don't have a lot of options at this point. Thusfar I'd call Omar's play "below Big East talent" but I guess we'll have to wait and see. The threes were nice. The perimeter defense was awful. But what else can we do at this point?
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 1, 2008 13:43:58 GMT -5
If yesterday's game is any indication, he won't play more than Clark. The problem is that unless Sims or Vaughn shows enough to be on the court for a reasonable number of minutes with Monroe (enabling Summers to slide to the 3), Omar will be playing some 3.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Dec 1, 2008 21:52:04 GMT -5
i live in johnson city tn. that is where omar played high school at science hill high school,he is a pretty good shooter.but in high school he never played defence.but is playing d now or he would not play at g-town.he has come a sub that won't hurt you,but really is not a threat to do much either.he can get a rebound or 2 and plays avg d.can hit open shots,but should not force shots.he is improving but still not that much of a reliable scorer or in big east play areliable sub. i hope he keeps getting better.
go hoyas!!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 1, 2008 22:12:00 GMT -5
He's there to knock down the occasional three, grab some boards to give Austin a break. We don't need an AA to do that. Wattad is a mid-major starter who is a fill-in guy on the Hoyas. Tyler Crawford did that on a Final Four team. There's nothing wrong with that role and its an important one. But to fill it, he needs to play more minutes now so he's not in shock later.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 1, 2008 22:22:54 GMT -5
I guess it all has to do with expectations. For somebody I never expected to see major minutes against a top 15 team, I was very impressed with Omar's play Friday. Sure, he's never going to be a star. But a guy that can come off the bench to contribute 10-15 minutes, play hard, hit a couple threes - I'll take it.
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Post by jmac on Dec 1, 2008 22:47:38 GMT -5
No offense to Tyler but I don't think we're looking for anyone to replace his (non existant) role
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Post by jmac on Dec 1, 2008 22:54:06 GMT -5
At least on the floor . I understand he had a great role as a team leader in practice etc
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 1, 2008 22:57:24 GMT -5
JMac - you are an inspiration to us all.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 1, 2008 23:05:26 GMT -5
No offense to Tyler but I don't think we're looking for anyone to replace his (non existant) role Tyler had a huge role, but it wasn't on the court. I don't think we have anybody who can replace him in that role. |
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Post by jmac on Dec 1, 2008 23:18:01 GMT -5
Say what you want . I feel his leadership role was overstated . He was the one player in a great class ( jeff, roy, jon). The one who never developed to full potential and people always talked about his contributions off the court when clearly the rest of his class contributed on AND off the court . Name one game he was an essential part of . I see patrick as a much bigger contributer off the bench . We always made excuses for TC
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 2, 2008 0:57:14 GMT -5
he came up pretty big in the providence game if memory serves correctly. Plus his immeasurable contributions off the court.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 2, 2008 1:13:18 GMT -5
"The one who never developed to full potential"
Yep, everytime I saw Tyler play I thought to myself "that guy has such a great skillset for his size, if only he worked harder he could fully develop into a good player"
Just think of how much better the class of 08 could have been had Tyler not been so lazy!
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Post by RBHoya on Dec 2, 2008 1:46:48 GMT -5
Say what you want . I feel his leadership role was overstated . He was the one player in a great class ( jeff, roy, jon). The one who never developed to full potential and people always talked about his contributions off the court when clearly the rest of his class contributed on AND off the court . Name one game he was an essential part of . I see patrick as a much bigger contributer off the bench . We always made excuses for TC Wow, this is ridiculous. Winning teams have guys like Tyler Crawford. Period. Look at the successful teams the past several years. It is almost impossible to hold together a team made up entirely of top 100-type recruits. Almost impossible. If you have 12 guys who were that highly regarded coming out of high school, at least a few of them aren't going to get significant minutes. And you know what happens when you have a Top 100 recruit sitting on your bench getting only occasional minutes? I'll give you a hint: Josh Thornton. Tay Spann. Vernon Macklin. Good teams go about 7 to 8 deep with high-level talent. Any more than that and somebody's getting the short end of the stick and heading for Towson or Marshall. This is the reality of college hoops today, if good players aren't getting their touches, they leave, like it or not. So you keep 7 to 8 players on your team that are high level recruits... what about the other 4 or 5 scholarships? Well, you can have them keep turning over to transfers (like Reed and Guibunda to Thornton and Spann to Macklin and Rivers), or you can round out your roster with valuable ROLE PLAYERS. Players who don't delude themselves into thinking they are true NBA prospects. Players who bust their ass to get better in the offseason and get better every year for 4 years. Players who provide valuable contributions in practice and in the weight room, and who are mentally and physically ready to go if somebody from the top 7 or 8 goes down with injury or has foul trouble. That's Tyler Crawford. And hopefully, that's Omar Wattad. Neither of these guys was/is ever going to be a stud, but neither one of them was recruited to be. Every successful team needs guys on the bench who are going to stick around for 4 years and work hard and give it their all when they get the call, even if they don't have all-conference talent. I mean, you realize that teams get 13 scholarships but most teams (and especially JTIII teams) usually only play an 8 man rotation, right? How the hell do you propose we use those additional scholarships? I suppose you like having 2-3 transfers every year? Give me a "limited" team player like Tyler Crawford over a "gifted" primadonna like Vernon Macklin every time. 100 times out of 100. As for Tyler's contributions to the team being "overstated", I will take JTIII's word and the word of all the other players over your expert analysis, thanks. |
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Post by dense on Dec 2, 2008 3:31:29 GMT -5
Wow now Tyler was never a leader, gotta love these posts this week. I guess we must be the worst program ever. Jt3 has did nothing but sing praises of how Tyler took everything in stride as far as personal goals for the goal of the team. After Sapp took his starting role he didnt pout or say it was unfair cause he got strep. He came and practiced hard and was always the happiest guy when things went well for the TEAM. Plus Jon Wallace always credits him for making him a tougher player cause he'd hack the crap out of him and was physical with him everyday in practice. Contributions arent on the court always as Rbhoya already stated , he took alot of the points I was going to type after nearly falling out of my chair after reading that.
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