RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 14, 2009 21:27:52 GMT -5
Talked to a prominent aau coach in bmore and he told me Roscoe is pretty much a done deal to unc. Just workn on grades. Remember that's what I was told not what I know personally. Just inside scoop. The guy I talked to is reliable. Good I didn't want him anyways. I'm getting tired of UNC. They took our title in 82' and now they are getting players from outta our backyard. I beginning to hate UNC more than MD. You're quite the bearer of good news lately, aren't you hardwood? I heard somewhere recently that Harrison Barnes to Duke was "all but a sure thing." Not sure how accurate that was but there were some who thought that UNC's recruitment of Barnes was the primary impediment to Roscoe not being a tarheel already, so it doesn't totally surprise me. I mean you never know, but it has always seemed like we were second banana in this one, and all we could hope for was that UNC wouldn't have room or make room for him. Realistically, the chances of that for a player as good as he is were slim. Not throwing in the towel, but not holding my breath either.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Apr 14, 2009 21:39:36 GMT -5
I'd be fine with us getting either Roscoe or Will Barton. But I distinctly remember some on the Barton thread stating things to the effect of "don't hold your breath." If there are 2 top wings in our area and we don't get either one, that's not a good sign. UNC does seem to get whomever they want out of our area. And we are scrambling to get mid-major transfers. Not sure I like how this is going.
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Post by tpk3 on Apr 14, 2009 21:44:25 GMT -5
hardwood- i had heard something similar. but i think things have changed and UNC won't offer roscoe. they have other options they like more for 2010 and they also like their 2011 prospects as well. i just hope Roscoe picks us if UNC does not offer.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 14, 2009 22:27:00 GMT -5
I'd be fine with us getting either Roscoe or Will Barton. But I distinctly remember some on the Barton thread stating things to the effect of "don't hold your breath." If there are 2 top wings in our area and we don't get either one, that's not a good sign. UNC does seem to get whomever they want out of our area. And we are scrambling to get mid-major transfers. Not sure I like how this is going. Supposedly Calipari/Kentucky are making a strong play for Barton, so there's that. Others will too. If we don't get Barton OR Smith, then yes that's a downer. There are other good options like Kendrick, Ross, Odom and others, but Barton and Roscoe seem to be the 2 real jewels. Who knows. UNC seems to pretty much get whomever they want out of any area these days. They are definitely the dream school of most young ballers. It's bad that they won again, because it gets reinforced. They have great '09 class, and a lot of the guys we are on in 2011 seem to like them too, not to mention of course Roscoe in 2010. We need something bad to happen there, like a recruiting scandal orsomething
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 14, 2009 22:38:22 GMT -5
I'd be fine with us getting either Roscoe or Will Barton. But I distinctly remember some on the Barton thread stating things to the effect of "don't hold your breath." If there are 2 top wings in our area and we don't get either one, that's not a good sign. UNC does seem to get whomever they want out of our area. And we are scrambling to get mid-major transfers. Not sure I like how this is going. Supposedly Calipari/Kentucky are making a strong play for Barton, so there's that. Others will too. If we don't get Barton OR Smith, then yes that's a downer. There are other good options like Kendrick, Ross, Odom and others, but Barton and Roscoe seem to be the 2 real jewels. Who knows. UNC seems to pretty much get whomever they want out of any area these days. They are definitely the dream school of most young ballers. It's bad that they won again, because it gets reinforced. They have great '09 class, and a lot of the guys we are on in 2011 seem to like them too, not to mention of course Roscoe in 2010. We need something bad to happen there, like a recruiting scandal orsomething Yes, that all sounds pretty ominous. But I don't recall UNC recruiting Jeff, or Roy. Certainly not Jon, DaJuan or Pat. yet we beat the heck out of them AND the refs at the Meadowlands. We will be fine.... if JT3 gets our guys back to playing Hoya Basketball at BOTH ends of the court!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2009 22:46:18 GMT -5
any Chance Roy goes to the NBA, that would help a bit.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Apr 14, 2009 22:57:02 GMT -5
Yeah but Jeff was under the radar because he didn't play as much on the AAU circuit. And there are 2 UNC national championships in the intervening period. Maybe the next Jeff Green wants to go to UNC now.
I know what you're saying that's it's not the be all end all. But it really is frustrating when you hear about us getting up on a recruit, and then once UNC comes in the picture, all bets are off. I'm sure we're a year or 2 away from hearing the same with Calipari at UK, although I assume he's much less likely to go after the same players we want than UNC is.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 14, 2009 23:14:10 GMT -5
The assumption most people have thought about Roscoe is that he'd go to UNC if he got an offer, and there's nothing to this comment that makes me think it is much more than that.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 15, 2009 0:16:15 GMT -5
I can understand why UNC wants to get out of the Marshall commit. The dude is not that good.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 15, 2009 8:56:28 GMT -5
That is nothing new. Roscoe has wanted to go to unc and has been waiting on an offer for ever. GU has always been his number two option. The reality is that UNC has cooled on Roscoe and it's looking like they will not offer Roscoe. The only player with UNC offer in the 2010 class are: Harrison Barnes, and then Casey Prather is UNC's back-up plan. Roscoe is not in the equation. BTW, Barnes is visiting UNC in June and Prather has already been informed that if Barnes goes elsewhere then Prather will get that last wing schollie. Hardwood, your hatred for Roscoe is becoming a joke. We get it, you don't like him. UNC would also like to get out of the Kendal Marshall commit, but Roy will probably stick with it and bring in a stud in 2011. It is obvious!
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Post by tpk3 on Apr 15, 2009 12:22:52 GMT -5
RDF- i have heard the same thing. in fact it is becoming common knowledge at this point that UNC won't offer Roscoe. harwood which AAU coach told you that? and roscoe's grades are fine. if they were not then GTOWN would not be involved. and there has been no secret Roscoe has been JT3's number 1 target.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 15, 2009 12:55:12 GMT -5
Is he lock to come to Gtown?
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Post by tpk3 on Apr 15, 2009 14:03:54 GMT -5
No, he is not a LOCK. no one has ever said that. Roscoe is JT3's number 1 priority. i really hope he comes here b/c i think the kid has alot of upside and is young for his class. he would be an elite wing.
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Post by tpk3 on Apr 21, 2009 7:10:15 GMT -5
clint jackson has update on rivals. take home points:
1. UNC has not been recruiting roscoe hard now for a couple of months. they have been showing other wings much more interest. 2. georgetown remains in a favorable position. 3. Roscoe wants to stay local but is not a GTOWN lock. there are other strong schools involved.
pretty much what has been said on this board. Also, wanted to add that Roscoe's grades are fine. GTOWN would not be this heavily involved with someone for such a long period of time if he was a bad student.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 21, 2009 9:10:36 GMT -5
clint jackson has update on rivals. take home points: 1. UNC has not been recruiting roscoe hard now for a couple of months. they have been showing other wings much more interest. 2. georgetown remains in a favorable position. 3. Roscoe wants to stay local but is not a GTOWN lock. there are other strong schools involved. pretty much what has been said on this board. Also, wanted to add that Roscoe's grades are fine. GTOWN would not be this heavily involved with someone for such a long period of time if he was a bad student. thank you for the update. Sounds like we have as good a chance as anyone..Regarding the grades thing, that is why I am puzzled by the Latavious recruitment.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 21, 2009 9:45:07 GMT -5
glad to hear UNC has cooled off.....
Re: Latavious....we weren't recruiting him hard until it looked like he would be turning his grades around...same with Barton. If the kids get their act together the staff will show interest. I don't think you can write off a kid if he puts in the effort and does the work he needs to do to get into college. The staff knows what they are doing. When they get to Gtown they really stick with them to make sure they continue to get it done in the classroom. If we hadn't given kids a chance we wouldn't have had Jeff or Owens for example. Given our track record with the so called "questionable" academic kids I would think you would give the staff a bit of credit for being good judges of character and potential
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 21, 2009 9:52:06 GMT -5
Have to like our chances if UNC is out.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 21, 2009 10:09:12 GMT -5
Is he lock to come to Gtown? Hardwood--it's recruiting--nobody is a LOCK until they sign the Letter of Intent--and even then--it's not a lock until they show up to campus--as we've seen this year. Will say in regards to your obsessively anti Roscoe sentiments/constant bashing, it makes me think Rocoe refused to play on your aau team. Now run along and go buy a 10 year old a hamburger as you tell him that he can be the next Lebron if he plays for "Mr Hardwood". If I'm wrong---sorry, but it's obvious something happened to have you hate on a KID so much. I don't coach AAU nor will I ever! I know the rules and in the dirty underground world of AAU basketball there are locks. . As far as me, I don't dislike Roscoe as a person I just don't like his game. He is not the first kid that I felt that way about and wont be the last. You are making it seem like I said he is not D1. If I said that then you would have a point. I just don't like his game and fire. I have seen him numerous times and I am entitled to my opinion. How does this differ from others who comment on other players and recruits. We are on this board to share information with each other. We all know we cant rely on rivals and scout because they show favoritism. I don't know about you but I value scouting report on kids from you guys more than those other so-called "experts who don't want to burn bridges".
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Post by IDenj on Apr 21, 2009 10:58:54 GMT -5
good point hardwood. all opinions should be considered and it wouldn t be fair if we ran down someones just for the fact it is different. i do agree with rdf in that we shouldn t make it sound like personal attacks. if you don t like a player cool. leave negative attacks at the door. not that you did in this case btw.
i hope both he and barton become hoyas.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 21, 2009 11:53:22 GMT -5
RDF, Hardwood's comments on Roscoe sound almost exactly like what you and balla were saying about Ryan Kelly last fall--maybe even more docile. I'm not "calling you out", but pointing out the inconsistency that when it's a recruit you don't like/want it's just "giving an honest assessment of his game based on watching him," but when somebody else does the same about a guy you DO like/want, then it's "constant bashing" and "it's obvious something happened to have you hate on a KID so much."
To add to graeagle's post, the article is written by the UNC Rivals writer. He admits straight out that he has not talked to Roscoe or his father in months and has tried to get in touch with them a couple times but has not gotten a call back. So, it's not as if he really has any new info or anything to say that Roscoe supposedly wants to stay near home and that Georgetown is in a favorable position. He's just sort of filling in the gaps there. The biggest part though is that it seems UNC's interest is waning and that they are looking more at other targets. Obviously, that bodes very well for us.
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