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Post by shf9 on Oct 1, 2009 13:56:38 GMT -5
Isn't Duke already loaded with guards next year with Smith, Dawkins, Curry, Thornton and they are still looking at some other point guards like Irving. I think Barnes would play SF there. They have lots of guards, but that isn't really relevant in their system. They are just as likely to put four guards on the floor as they are a traditional 1-2-3-4-5 lineup. Barnes will see the floor a lot, regardless of whatever position label gets placed on him. As previously stated, they will try to convince R. Smith that, with the departure of Singler, plenty of time will be available for him if he earns it. I think JTIII and Calhoun are making similar arguments. PS: I am a Duke fan, but I'm not here to stir the pot or anything. I respect Georgetown's program very much. Just checking in b/c we had our in-home with Smith last night and wanted to see if there was any buzz. As has been the case throughout Smith's recruitment, it is pretty quiet on all fronts.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2009 14:12:42 GMT -5
Um almost every player plays down a position in the NBA from what they played in college. A lot of people don't play their NBA position in college. Small college shooting guards who have to learn to play point in the NBA because they're not big enough to be NBA SGs.
Some coaches will tell players anything to get them to sign. K's just telling Barnes and Roscoe what they want to hear. Barnes will not play SG at Duke. He'll play SF. That's his college position and the only one he can play just like Roscoe. Now that Duke has options at the 4 and 5 they won't need to play their wing players out of position at the 4.
Don't try and come here from your duke board and try and convince us of things that aren't true. Run back to the duke boards where even they will tell you, your wrong. The majority of Duke fans are being honest with themselves and saying that Smith is the back up option and that they won't play together. Even if you've convinced yourself otherwise, roscoe's family isn't going to fall for it. Duke is still in the running because Barnes hasn't made a decision yet.
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Post by cdnhoya on Oct 1, 2009 14:21:11 GMT -5
Isn't Duke already loaded with guards next year with Smith, Dawkins, Curry, Thornton and they are still looking at some other point guards like Irving. I think Barnes would play SF there. They have lots of guards, but that isn't really relevant in their system. They are just as likely to put four guards on the floor as they are a traditional 1-2-3-4-5 lineup. Barnes will see the floor a lot, regardless of whatever position label gets placed on him. As previously stated, they will try to convince R. Smith that, with the departure of Singler, plenty of time will be available for him if he earns it. I think JTIII and Calhoun are making similar arguments. PS: I am a Duke fan, but I'm not here to stir the pot or anything. I respect Georgetown's program very much. Just checking in b/c we had our in-home with Smith last night and wanted to see if there was any buzz. As has been the case throughout Smith's recruitment, it is pretty quiet on all fronts. A DUKE FAN! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by shf9 on Oct 1, 2009 14:24:33 GMT -5
not true. i don't belong to any of the rivals or scout boards. those fans are not informed and largely irrational.
Smith has a Duke offer, and they would take him today if he chose to accept it without worrying that it would affect Barnes. Barnes will play "shooting guard" at Duke (as if that means anything...), and your argument that it is his "only" college position is totally baseless, especially if you've seen him play or even read a scouting report.
Georgetown has as much depth at Smith's position as Duke or UConn. i'm not making any claim regarding his future school; i'm just stating facts.
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Post by shf9 on Oct 1, 2009 14:28:37 GMT -5
A DUKE FAN! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i figured i'd let it out before it became abundantly apparent, and i got slammed for being a sleeper cell. too late, i guess, haha. all these site have their xenophobes, i guess.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2009 14:52:48 GMT -5
gags1288/shf9, many duke insiders aren't even convinced that Smith's offer isn't conditional on Barnes. I'm not usually opposed to opposing fans posting. I'm just saying there's no need to spread propaganda here. It's not like by convincing us that barnes and smith can play together is going to change roscoe's mind. Dawkins will be playing SG at Duke when barnes is there. at the 1 and 2 you'll have scheyer, dawkins, curry, nolan, and thorton and possibly irving. You really think Barnes will get time at the 2 with all of that there and basically no one at the 3? Barnes would be the best option at the 3 and there's no reason not to put your best line up out there. On offense positions don't really matter, but on defense they do. Neither smith or barnes are fast enough to guard the quicker 2s nor are they big enough to guard the bigger 4s. End of story.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 1, 2009 14:56:47 GMT -5
I very much doubt that Duke would accept a commitment from Roscoe Smith before Harrison Barnes decides.
My take on Smith all along is he's somebody that wants the biggest stage and likes the glamour of places like UNC and Duke. Since UNC's not recruiting him, he's left with Duke, who may not even have a ride for him.
To me, this one's pretty easy. If Barnes commits to Duke, then it's UCONN vs. Georgetown in a grudge match recruiting battle. If Barnes goes elsewhere, my money's on Roscoe to Duke.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Oct 1, 2009 14:57:44 GMT -5
No problem with you being a Duke fan, but what you are implying makes no sense and if i were the Smith family, Id be highly offended if that what was sold to me. They just got Dawkins to come in early to play the 2. If Barnes ends up at Duke, he will UNDOUBTEDLY play the other wing, whether you want to call it a 2 or a 3. Neither of them will play the 1! That leaves left the two bigs. Duke has recently got shored up the BIGS with highly touted 4s and 5s so I doubt VERY seriously that K will be itching to go to the 4 guard offense, except during brief spirts or our of necessity.
Other than that, I see nothing wrong with your premise b/c all 3 programs have young talent at the position Roscoe will play, the THREE! It is just that Duke actually has a 3 they are targeting in his same class. Regardless of whether or not he is pegged to be one and done, he is still coming in at the same position.
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Post by shf9 on Oct 1, 2009 15:12:12 GMT -5
hoya and dynasty, you've missed my point. a) duke doesn't play set positions so getting hung up on whether Barnes is a "shooting guard" or a "small forward" is, in the end, totally moot. Barnes is certainly athletic/big enough to guard 2s and 3s and would be able to go exist on the floor with Smith if necessary. and b) as i've read in previous posts here, very few of us believe that Smith is an immediate starter on either of the three teams that are recruiting him. with Barnes being an almost assured one-and-done player, his recruitment holds little bearing on Smith's.
Smith does not have a conditional offer from Duke; it is very much a solid, you-may-accept-this-if-you-want-it offer. i'm not spreading propaganda; i'm interested in informed thoughts and opinion. Duke will land Barnes; that is a very well informed opinion. i can't speak directly to Smith, but there is room and an offer for him if he decides that he wants to be a part of it.
regardless, i like everything i've seen and heard about Smith and will root for him as long as he doesn't become a Huskie.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Oct 1, 2009 15:48:40 GMT -5
shf9 what you are advancing is that the best players will play with little thought as to what position they will be slotted in. I hear you, but that is not practical. Duke has to worry about playing defense too and as someone stated earlier, neither Barnes/Smith will be able to keep up with faster/quicker 2s. Neither will be able to bang with bigger, more physical 4s. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, each would end up at the 3 if they chose to go to Duke. You may call the positions they play whatever you want, but for everyone else watching, we will classify the players from 1-5, as will the analysts and scouts.
With that said, I like Roscoe a lot. I would love it if he came to GTown. In my opinion, if he wants to start out the gate, his least likely opportunity to do that would be to go to Duke should Barnes elect to play there, which you are claiming he will. I dont know that Barnes will be one and done. Many said the same thing of Monroe, and look-he's back! Not to mention the uncertainty of the new CBA that will be in effect. They may change the one and done to two and done. We will have to wait and see on that front.
SOOOOOO, I am no psychic, but I do know that if Barnes commits to Duke, the chances of landing Roscoe go way down. Just like when Florida got Prather, you saw his camp drop FL from the list. Why? B/c they just got a commit from a player who plays his position in the same class! Dont be ridiculous.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2009 15:51:50 GMT -5
I am sure Roscoe and his family are looking at all the rosters and who else is coming in. Gtown only has Hollis as a true wing SF player. Uconn has Jamal Coombs who is the exact same type of high energy wing that Roscoe is. They are even the same size with the same strengths and weekness. These kids are looking at everything.
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Post by cdnhoya on Oct 1, 2009 16:10:06 GMT -5
i have a question for anyone other than shf9: what is g'towns position on kendrick? he is a highly rated wing player as well and has shot past roscoe in most rankings that i've seen. does anyone know if JT3 is recruiting roscoe over kendrick? just wondering. would love either. or both!
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Post by cdnhoya on Oct 1, 2009 16:12:02 GMT -5
A DUKE FAN! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i figured i'd let it out before it became abundantly apparent, and i got slammed for being a sleeper cell. too late, i guess, haha. all these site have their xenophobes, i guess. haha. i'm surprised that i'd be called a xenophobe by someone else instead of vice versa since my username is a reference to my country...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2009 16:14:19 GMT -5
I don't know whether we are recruiting one over the other. I do know we have a decent shot at kendrick and will probably make his final list once he narrows it down a bit. I don't know how they will effect one another. I trust the staff to deal with it and that it will sort itself out in the end.
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Post by shf9 on Oct 1, 2009 16:17:05 GMT -5
dynasty, i agree with you for the most part, but i don't agree that a Barnes commitment turns Smith off entirely to Duke as Prather's did to UF. Barnes and Smith are very, very different players (and yes, Barnes will be able to guard the elite 2s and 3s in college); Prather and Smith are not nearly as different and both have similar projected learning curves.
anyway, nice talking to everybody.
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Post by cdnhoya on Oct 1, 2009 16:20:10 GMT -5
Thanks HoyaSinceBirth
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 1, 2009 16:21:18 GMT -5
Would be surprised if the Hoya staff was recruiting one of Kenrick or Smith "over" the other. I'm sure they'd take a commitment from either one, if they wanted to commit. Smith's more of a pure 3, maybe even a 3/4, whereas Kendrick's more of a 2/3. They're both primarily wings at the college level, but Kendrick's got more guard skills. So conceivably, they could take both.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2009 16:36:48 GMT -5
agreed boya
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Post by dense on Oct 1, 2009 17:37:38 GMT -5
Hate to be negative Nancy but I'm in teh camp that hopes he picks Duke. I've seen him play alot in the past year. He has alot of Bowman like things to his game. In terms of he will disappear sometimes, and you'll wonder if he is secretly helping the other team, and then have some moments where you're like this dude is all-world...NBA LOCK. But those moments of disguist tend to happen in the BIG games too like Bowman. so on this 1, I'm like LETS GO DUKE!!!,lol
PS: remember it was Olaeswere's game against Roscoe that got him the look here cause Jamal worked him.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 1, 2009 18:42:14 GMT -5
I'm with dense, to some extent. While he'd be a nice get, especially from a rankings standpoint, I will not be totally upset if Smith goes elsewhere. Frankly, he's no better than 3rd on my list of guys listing GU right now (Kendrick and Mitchell ahead of him). I can see him transferring if he ends up choosing Duke.
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