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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 11, 2009 15:04:49 GMT -5
Missed TJ's home list, but see it now. Fair enough; thanks HSB. Do you think we're likely to go with "only" 3 in 2010? I'd like Kendrick and Roscoe, if we could get them both. That is a heck of a core group with if we could add them to Nate and Markel: a 1, 2, 3, and a 4. I think the program needs to pick up at least a third player for 2010 just because we will have a lot of turnover after the 10-11 season and it would be nice to have a good crop of rising sophomores to plug in. Even if we get Kendrick only, or another Top 50 recruit, our class would catapult into the Top 15ish i think. Roscoe and Kendrick and we have a Top 5 class. The plan was always more than 2 2010ers so I hope that we can get at least one more Top 100 recruit locked up so we don't have to scramble in the spring a la benimon
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 11, 2009 19:09:33 GMT -5
I think if we get one of roscoe and jalen, and a big, I think that would be a great class....Markel is the truth....don't know why or how he's rated so low, and Nate is going to be great for us
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 11, 2009 19:45:28 GMT -5
I'm with Daytona. Either of Roscoe or Kendrick and Walker would be nice.
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 12, 2009 14:15:03 GMT -5
I think there is probably a 99% chance we take at least 3 in this class. There really isn't much reason to hold onto scholarships, since we'll have plenty for 2011 already with Chris, Austin, Julian and possibly Nikita all graduating that year, not to mention any early defections or transfers. I think the ideal scenario would be that we lock up one more top target in the fall, then use one more in spring on the best available player, assuming Greg has a healthy and successful year. If all our major targets either elect to go elsewhere or wait til spring, you might see us sign just Nate and Markel early and possibly take 2 in spring. One way or another I think we'll take at least 3 and most likely 4. One guy not getting mentioned in this thread is Tony Mitchell, who we have an in-home with coming up. He is probably not as good as Kendrick but he's comparably ranked with Roscoe (Rivals has Mitchell as the #15 player in the class). Plus Mitchell is a little bigger and could help us at the 4 spot a little bit, which Roscoe can't. Most importantly I think we have the best shot at Mitchell, who has put us in his top 3. Re: Jones not giving us an in-home.... Not saying I told you so or anything, just that I thought it was really apparent months ago that as good a player as he is and as much as we fans thought he'd be a good fit in our system, he didn't seem nearly as interested in us as we were in him. It happens. Everybody (or at least a couple of really vocal folks) was all over me for pointing this out earlier in the summer, but it was just pretty obvious that the chances with Jones were very slim. Re: Walker... Not sure. He is another guy who fans really like because I think we all see really want to see more size, rebounding and interior toughness. However JTIII clearly puts much more of a premium on skills than he does on size. This will be III's 6th recruiting class, and he really hasn't recruited even 1 true center in that time (the exception to that I guess would be Riley if he had ever made it). He's recruited a decent amount of PFs who can play center like Monroe, Sims, or Macklin, but he hasn't brought in any real back to the basket, traditional 5 men. And he's passed on at least a few 3-star center types, guys like Anthony McClain or Kyle Rowley who we could have had but didn't want. Is Walker that type of player or is he a legitimate pro prospect? Personally I'm not sure because I haven't watched him play, but I think in order for him to get a full offer from JT III he will have to show that he has a lot of skills in addition to just size and potential. My bad for not talking much about Roscoe in his thread
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 12, 2009 14:40:27 GMT -5
Do you think mitchell would fit into our offense? I hear he doesn't have a lot of the skills we require of our 3s/4s.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 12, 2009 16:26:08 GMT -5
I highly doubt Roscoe is coming. As I've said for a long time, if Roscoe wanted to commit, he could have done so a long time ago. Seems to me he's in love with the prestige of certain programs that have a higher profile than Georgetown. From what I've seen, he hasn't progressed nearly as well over the past two years as many people expected. While he'd be a loss given how much time the staff has focused on him over the past few years, I'm not sure he'd be that big of a loss on the court.
Kendrick would be a huge get, as would Mitchell. I like Walker as well, and I think any combination of those 3 would be terrific. My gut tells me our chances of getting them are, in order: 1) Mitchell 2) Walker 3) Kendrick. For those that question Mitchell, I'll take the opinions of national recruiting analysts over 1 very vocal Hoyas fan that started his own message board.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 12, 2009 16:48:21 GMT -5
Here's what Jerry Meyer had to say about Mitchell in a chat this week, where he called Mitchell one of 4 players, regardless of class, that distinguished themselves this summer:
"Mitchell is the prospect who came into the summer with the least notoriety, but he finished the summer as a five-star prospect. He has NBA athleticism, an explosive first step to the basket and the potential to be an NBA-level wing scorer."
Sounds good to me.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 12, 2009 17:58:44 GMT -5
More from Mitchell directly (as of 8/21): "He has received offers from Georgetown, Texas, Maryland and several others. Rivals.com now ranks the senior-to-be as a fivestar recruit and the No. 15 player in the nation for the class of 2010. Mitchell said his top four schools include Georgetown, K-State, Missouri and Arizona State. When asked if K-State still had a fighting chance, Mitchell replied "most definitely, they're in my top two, probably with Georgetown." www.themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=691d7ce10673462dbadf7b18d5bc864e
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Post by jkhoya12 on Sept 12, 2009 20:48:18 GMT -5
Hmm....guy with limited perimiter skills ranked #15 in his class, who we got on late.....sound familiar?
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 13, 2009 11:13:39 GMT -5
Do you think mitchell would fit into our offense? I hear he doesn't have a lot of the skills we require of our 3s/4s. You can make that case. I don't think he is as natural a fit for our system as somebody like Jones would have been or somebody like Kendrick could be. In the videos he definitely has weird form on his shot, though still manages to put some of them in. I don't see why he couldn't be a Pat Ewing Jr. type player for us though, maybe even a superior version. Pat was a passable outside shooter at best but made a big impact in other ways. I could see Mitchell doing some similar things-- rebounding, defending, attacking the basket. And some of those are things the team could use right about now. How many times last year were we yearning for Pat's rebounding/hustle/defense/energy? And besides, I sort of think if a top 25, future NBA type player wants to come, you have to take him and figure it out from there. Every time somebody criticizes our offense, its supporters (including I believe the staff) say that it can be adjusted to suit the talents of a particular group. That seemed to be the case with Pat, and in a different way, Roy. Not so much for other guys like Macklin, but I'm a firm believer that Macklin just wasn't very good. Anyhow, I'd like to think that we could find ways to maximize the talents that a guy like Mitchell has. How it would actually play out is tough to know.
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Post by chep3 on Sept 13, 2009 12:12:11 GMT -5
Those are good points. From what I've read (and obviously this is base speculation), it doesn't sound like he's a natural for our system. But I think we as fans hear "not a natural" and automatically jump to thinking of Macklin. Macklin didn't work not because he couldn't shoot or dribble or use post moves, but because he couldn't do any of those things. Pat was a decent, not great, shooter, but was a huge contributor because he could attack off the dribble, pass well, and play d and rebound better than anyone else on this team. If Mitchell can do some of those things, we can get by without him being a perfect fit. Now if it turns out he can't do any of those things, then maybe we have another Macklin. But until I see otherwise at Florida, Macklin's lack of success is on Macklin, not on his fit in the system.
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Post by jd369 on Sept 14, 2009 3:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 14, 2009 7:51:05 GMT -5
I assume they've scheduled either in homes(most likely) or official visits.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Sept 14, 2009 21:17:45 GMT -5
The deal with Mitchell is this: no one has him ranked as high as rivals does, which should tell you something. Rivals rankings don't mean a whole lot for the people we're recruiting, especially with Mitchell.
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Post by chep3 on Sept 15, 2009 8:10:04 GMT -5
Well if he's not as good as the rankings say and as bad of a fit as some of you guys say, I'm pretty sure this will all be moot and we won't end up signing him.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 15, 2009 12:41:08 GMT -5
Mitchell rankings:
Rivals: 15 Scout: 47 Hoopmasters: 41 ESPN: 57
Based on these rankings, looks like Mitchell will fall around the 40 range when the next RSCI rankings come out. Pretty much in the same area as Nate Lubick and far ahead of Markel Starks.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 15, 2009 12:57:35 GMT -5
Since I don’t subscribe to any of the recruiting sites, I usually find posts about them interesting, whether they’re rankings or stories. But I do tend to take them with a grain of salt. It strikes me as a bit funny when some post them and consider the content to be gospel. The stuff is not exact science and they certainly make mistakes. Like the recent Rivals omission of Tyrone Johnson, which lead to a poster characterizing Johnson as being overhyped by some Hoya Talkers because he wasn’t among the players listed for 2011.
I also think it’s unfortunate that this Roscoe Smith thread has devolved into a discussion of Tony Mitchell, who has a thread of his own. While we’ve shown some interest in Mitchell, much of what I’ve read flies in the face of him being the kind of player we usually covet. He may be a very good athlete, but he’s a 6’6” forward who doesn’t have strong perimeter skills. Sounds like a fall back option to me, but maybe somebody’s seen BJ Meyers walk on water….
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Post by idhoya on Sept 15, 2009 13:13:22 GMT -5
I'm hearing he's the same height as Lubick, who is a legit 6'8.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 29, 2009 9:01:25 GMT -5
Official visits scheduled we're up first this weeked: Oct. 2 - Georgetown
Oct. 9 - Duke
Oct. 16 - UConn
TBD - Florida
TBD - Kansas
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 29, 2009 11:08:43 GMT -5
Nice.
Would love to get a player of Roscoe's talents.
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