Georgia congressman: warning signs from Obama

[hifigator]

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Not sure that I would go to this extreme, but I do uderstand at least how he leans in that direction.

[TBird41]

Nov 11, 2008 13:28:06 GMT -5 hifigator said:

ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00


Not sure that I would go to this extreme, but I do uderstand at least how he leans in that direction.

Paul Broun is a moron. This is well understand by people on both sides of the aisle, especially those that work in the House. He makes Michelle Bachmann look like a Rhodes Scholar

[Bando]

HiFi. Go away.

Edited. Keep the tone civil. --Admin

[hifigator]

sorry about that link. I used the contracted link. Here is the real link:


ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00

Bando, I didn't do it on purpose. Lighten up.

[Bando]

Nov 11, 2008 13:28:06 GMT -5 hifigator said:

ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00


Not sure that I would go to this extreme, but I do uderstand at least how he leans in that direction.

He leans in the direction of fascist dictatorship? Really? Please stop littering this board with half-assed conspiracy theories. You're no different than the 9/11 troofers.

[hifigator]

Edited: I noticed that a couple of these comments were ambiguouos. Let me clarify:

Incidentally, much of the language that this congressman used is exactly the same as that professor friend of mine used in some of his outlandish comments prior to the election. His point is that he thinks Obama has a grand vision and it is massive redistribution of wealth. He actually referenced these quotes by Obama and called them a call for another brownnshirt organization. His point was that the real danger is that these guys (Brownshirts/civilian Natioanl security force) -- or whatever you want to call them -- is that they are essentially loyal, not to the Constitution, but rather to the one in charge. Furthermore, his fear was that as the economy continues to tank, the tactic that Obama and his group will take is to look for "scapegoats." His theory was that would naturally be "bankers," and more specifically "jewish bankers."

As outlandish as those ideas seemed, it will remain to be seen whether there is any movement in that direction.

[TBird41]

Nov 11, 2008 13:56:58 GMT -5 hifigator said:

Incidentally, much of the language that this congressman used is exactly the same as that professor friend of mine used in some of his outlandish comments prior to the election. His point is that he thinks Obama has a grand vision and it is massive redistribution of wealth. He actually referenced these quotes by Obama and called them another Brownshirt organization. His point was that the real danger is that these guys (Brownshirts/civilian Natioanl security force) -- or whatever you want to call them -- are essentially loyal, not to the Constitution, but rather to the one in charge.

You are the reason that I don't participate very often in political discussions--I am a Republican, a conservative and politically active, but it's a waste of time for me to participate because whatever point I make on this board is drowned out by your idiotic strawmen points. You single handedly bring the discourse level from intelligent to MSNBC/FoxNews. Please stop.

[HoyaNyr320]

Worthless garbage posting worthless garbage which quotes worthless garbage.

[Bando]

Nov 11, 2008 13:56:58 GMT -5 hifigator said:

Incidentally, much of the language that this congressman used is exactly the same as that professor friend of mine used in some of his outlandish comments prior to the election. His point is that he thinks Obama has a grand vision and it is massive redistribution of wealth. He actually referenced these quotes by Obama and called them another Brownshirt organization. His point was that the real danger is that these guys (Brownshirts/civilian Natioanl security force) -- or whatever you want to call them -- are essentially loyal, not to the Constitution, but rather to the one in charge.

If people doing community service and civilian reconstruction teams reminds you of the Gestapo, then I'm afraid you lack a proper understanding on the horrors of the Nazi regime. A proper university history department would have taught you these things.

Ah HiFi, yet another brain eaten by the Hitler zombie.

[Bando]

Nov 11, 2008 14:16:43 GMT -5 williambraskyiii said:

Nov 11, 2008 14:00:55 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

You are the reason that I don't participate very often in political discussions--I am a Republican, a conservative and politically active, but it's a waste of time for me to participate because whatever point I make on this board is drowned out by your idiotic strawmen points. You single handedly bring the discourse level from intelligent to MSNBC/FoxNews. Please stop.

I concur wholeheartedly. Your posting style in these political threads has reached the point of caricature...I don't know if you are consciously doing so (I'd give you more credit if this was the case) or if you are so devoid of rationality that you repeatedly post drivel and erect strawmen and avoid intelligible discourse without any recognition of how much of a jagoff you are...

I'm calling Poe's Law on HiFi. C'mon, you don't actually believe any of this stuff, right?

[Elvado]

HiFi remains the ultimate force for unity. For it is only he that can unite Bando and myself on any issue: HiFi's idiocy.

A proper university history department might not be enough, but it wouldn't hurt.

[TC]

Nov 11, 2008 14:00:55 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

You are the reason that I don't participate very often in political discussions--I am a Republican, a conservative and politically active, but it's a waste of time for me to participate because whatever point I make on this board is drowned out by your idiotic strawmen points. You single handedly bring the discourse level from intelligent to MSNBC/FoxNews. Please stop.

Don't insult MSNBC and Fox News like that.

[hifigator]

Let me clarify one thing: my main point was to point out a rather radical view that doesn't get any coverage. Once again, if the positions were reversed, and if the kookiness was coming from a left leaning source, then it would get at least some airtime, if not taken seriously. Secondly, I was somewhat struck by wording and ideology that was so strikingly similar to that of a local professor from just a couple of weeks ago. In his case, he used the wording that Obama was somewhere between Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. At another point, he likened Obama's ideas to those of Italy under Mussolini before they got involved with Hitler. Obviously, as that is before my time, I don't have any first hand experience. I have only what I have read in assorted books and heard discussed by decorated historians. I'm not posting this to say "see, this guy is right." Rather I am pointing out that there are some legitimate concerns, albeit from very radical sources. How this will shake out is anybody's guess. But some of you here, will hear me say something "radical" like this as a potential extreme case concern and act like I'm making it up out of thin air. This just in: I Don't Do That!

Lastly, what reminded me of this was a conversation we had last night with said professor and even the libs admitted that he had a point. His point was that he didn't know how many times he has heard people say that "we can only hope ...." ( that Obama is the more centrist candidate that he ran as). He was quick to point out that we are in agreement that much, but that he just still doesn't understand when all the body of work that we have to measure Obama on paints a different picture. Each little tidbit of info that comes out, tends to at least validate his concerns. Let's all hope that none of them come to fruition.

[hoyatables]

Nov 11, 2008 14:51:58 GMT -5 hifigator said:

Let me clarify one thing: my main point was to point out a rather radical view that doesn't get any coverage. Once again, if the positions were reversed, and if the kookiness was coming from a left leaning source, then it would get at least some airtime, if not taken seriously. Secondly, I was somewhat struck by wording and ideology that was so strikingly similar to that of a local professor from just a couple of weeks ago. In his case, he used the wording that Obama was somewhere between Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. At another point, he likened Obama's ideas to those of Italy under Mussolini before they got involved with Hitler. Obviously, as that is before my time, I don't have any first hand experience. I have only what I have read in assorted books and heard discussed by decorated historians. I'm not posting this to say "see, this guy is right." Rather I am pointing out that there are some legitimate concerns, albeit from very radical sources. How this will shake out is anybody's guess. But some of you here, will hear me say something "radical" like this as a potential extreme case concern and act like I'm making it up out of thin air. This just in: I Don't Do That!

Lastly, what reminded me of this was a conversation we had last night with said professor and even the libs admitted that he had a point. His point was that he didn't know how many times he has heard people say that "we can only hope ...." ( that Obama is the more centrist candidate that he ran as). He was quick to point out that we are in agreement that much, but that he just still doesn't understand when all the body of work that we have to measure Obama on paints a different picture. Each little tidbit of info that comes out, tends to at least validate his concerns. Let's all hope that none of them come to fruition.

This just in: we don't care about your conversations with the professor. Sometimes when Drums is drunk he claims that he's the Pope, too. It doesn't mean I look to him as a spiritual authority.

[Elvado]

Hifi:

Does this "professor" appear in your mirror, or is he just a voice inside your head?

[Bando]

Nov 11, 2008 15:14:35 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Hifi:

Does this "professor" appear in your mirror, or is he just a voice inside your head?

I have it on good authority that HiFi's professor has constructed a coconut radio that will surely get them off the island this time.

[strummer8526]

Nov 11, 2008 15:41:55 GMT -5 Bando said:

Nov 11, 2008 15:14:35 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Hifi:

Does this "professor" appear in your mirror, or is he just a voice inside your head?

I have it on good authority that HiFi's professor has constructed a coconut radio that will surely get them off the island this time.

Last I heard, his professor was wearing purple and suspected of killing someone with a lead pipe in a conservatory somewhere.

[hifigator]

Tables: I admit that most of those in our discussion group tend to enjoy an adult beverage or two ... or three. But it is vastly amicable discussions of different topics. Our backgrounds are somewhat different. Without exposing anyone's specific identity, here is a breakdown of some of the regulars:

Me Owner/President of retail establishment. Bachelors degree with high honors from UF.
conservative/libertarian

Prof. "X" Professor in the College of Business at Florida Ph. D (not sure where from) conservative/Republican

Pete Just passed the bar from Florida and is now working as a Lawyer specializing in Estate Law for a firm in Ocala moderate/Republican

Ray (at the time) was "ABD" as a teacher in college of Building Construction Liberal/Democrat
(Note: He is no longer around. He passed his dissertation and took a job at Southern Mississippi -- why I don't know -- and has not taken a position at Fresno St. University)

Tom graduated from the University of Virginia Liberal/Democrat--self-proclaimed, has "never" voted for a Republican in his life Bartender

Wade also known as "Dr. Dirt" one of the most respected soil scientists Professor for U of F, but spends most of his time traveling and giving instruction at other institutions Very Liberal/Democrat

Dave unknown education level manages a paint store and is also in a band (lead singer and vocals) liberal democrat and a bitter angry one at that -- even when things are going well

Mike unknown education level Fireman (just retired last year) moderate/democrat

Fred unknown education level Office manager at Shands Hospital at the U of F fringe-edge liberal democrat (even other dems cringe when he opens his mouth)

Professor Chuck Professor of Accounting at Florida Ph. D. (not sure from where) conservative/libertarian


There are others, for sure, but that is the core group of those of us who get together a couple of nights a week and discuss everything from politics to sports.

The point is that at the right time, and in the right perspective, we do have some spirited, yet lively discussions and sometimes -- though not what I would call "rare" -- we do see things the other person's way.


Elvado, no, I am not a professor and am much more aligned with Professor Chuck than Prof. X.

[Boz]

1. Lots of us who did not vote for Obama see lots of warning signs in some of the things he said during the campaign. There is nothing new there. The saner among us are going to wait and see what he does when he, you know, actually becomes President.

2. Despite that doubt and skepticism, there is absolutely, unequivocally, 0% chance in a frozen hell that Barack Obama will establish a civilian security force in the United States. There is equally no chance that he will require military or paramilitary service of the nation's youth.

3. Why do I know this? Well, neither the right nor the left will let him do such a thing, but most importantly, the MILITARY does not want such a thing.

4. You want to talk about taxes, the economy, potentially bad executive orders, dangerous foreign policy positions or any number of other things, I am more than willing to take part in such a discussion. You want to spread ridiculous warnings from ridiculous congressmen about comparisons to Adolf Hitler or some sort of Little Red Book Cultural Revolution, then be prepared to be laughed and/or berated off the board.

5. If there are professors on college campuses talking about this sort of thing, they should be ashamed of themselves. There is a serious lack of conservative opinion in American universities, which I consider a serious issue, but encouraging discussion of this nature is NOT conservatism and no lack of conservative educators can excuse propagating this type of nonsense. I hold any such professor at the same level of esteem at which I hold Ward Churchill.

[hifigator]

Bando and strummer: I will give those to you -- rather amusing, when you give it the good old college try.