Boz
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Post by Boz on Nov 4, 2008 15:47:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Ben & Jerry's knew that from the start. They've been giving out free ice cream to everyone because it's illegal to give it only to those who've voted.
Kind of like all those contests who have to be "no purchase necessary" in order to win.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 4, 2008 15:49:18 GMT -5
tip wrote: Shouldn't today be a national holiday? Actually, it's funny you should say that. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a movement to make it a Monday and to make it a National holiday at some point. In any case, someone asked why the first Tuesday in November this morning on one of the news shows. They looked it up and basically, it was November to give time for preparation and transition for the changing administrations without interfering with the Holidays. But as for the Tuesday, when it was first established, everyone came by horse or horse-drawn carriage and in many areas, it took a full day each way in travel. Interesting, if not really significant. You're half-correct. The Tuesday date was chosen to provide enough time for travel. The date in November was chosen, however, in order to provide enough time between the popular vote and the meeting of the Electoral College. |
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Post by hifigator on Nov 4, 2008 15:59:24 GMT -5
tip wrote: Shouldn't today be a national holiday? Actually, it's funny you should say that. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a movement to make it a Monday and to make it a National holiday at some point. In any case, someone asked why the first Tuesday in November this morning on one of the news shows. They looked it up and basically, it was November to give time for preparation and transition for the changing administrations without interfering with the Holidays. But as for the Tuesday, when it was first established, everyone came by horse or horse-drawn carriage and in many areas, it took a full day each way in travel. Interesting, if not really significant. You're half-correct. The Tuesday date was chosen to provide enough time for travel. The date in November was chosen, however, in order to provide enough time between the popular vote and the meeting of the Electoral College. I didn't clarify that. They said that it was to allow the electoral college to proceed without having to be moved, potentially interfering with the Holidays, especially if there was some controversy. I just didn't give all the details. In any case, my main point wasn't the "November" selection, but moreso that the Tuesday day is somewhat archaic now that almost everyone lives in the town where they vote. Basically travel time is essentially irrelevant now, and that doesn't even take into account early voting possibilities or he internet voting which can't be very far away. |
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Post by hifigator on Nov 4, 2008 16:02:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Ben & Jerry's knew that from the start. They've been giving out free ice cream to everyone because it's illegal to give it only to those who've voted. Kind of like all those contests who have to be "no purchase necessary" in order to win. I didn't even think about the Ben and Jerry's promo. They are giving away a 3 ounce ice cream to anyone with a sticker between 5pm and 8pm. I'm not sure about the legality of having voted. What is the premise? I know that it's illegal to have assorted giveaways that involve mandatory purchases ... at least when involving any "chance," but not familiar with what you are talking about. On Edit: I just saw Bando's post on the bottom of page 2. Was that intended to apply to "all of them" -- Ben and Jerry's, Starbucks, Krispy Kreme etc??? I am just curious. And if so, I wonder what statute would make that illegal. You can't tie money and chance together. In other words, you can't have any kind of a random giveaway which requires a purchase. Obviously you can have "free ice cream with purchase of sandwich" or something similar. I just wonder what makes the free ice cream with "I Voted" sticker illegal. |
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Post by mchoya on Nov 4, 2008 16:25:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Ben & Jerry's knew that from the start. They've been giving out free ice cream to everyone because it's illegal to give it only to those who've voted. Kind of like all those contests who have to be "no purchase necessary" in order to win. I didn't even think about the Ben and Jerry's promo. They are giving away a 3 ounce ice cream to anyone with a sticker between 5pm and 8pm. I'm not sure about the legality of having voted. What is the premise? I know that it's illegal to have assorted giveaways that involve mandatory purchases ... at least when involving any "chance," but not familiar with what you are talking about. On Edit: I just saw Bando's post on the bottom of page 2. Was that intended to apply to "all of them" -- Ben and Jerry's, Starbucks, Krispy Kreme etc??? I am just curious. And if so, I wonder what statute would make that illegal. You can't tie money and chance together. In other words, you can't have any kind of a random giveaway which requires a purchase. Obviously you can have "free ice cream with purchase of sandwich" or something similar. I just wonder what makes the free ice cream with "I Voted" sticker illegal. This article explains: www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aIBd9wa0Xh7U&refer=usBasically, you can't offer incentives for people to vote. They have to do it on their own volition. It stems back to the days of party leaders like those of Tammany Hall offering poor people in NYC coal, bread, and Christmas turkeys if they voted Democrat. This law means that this promotion is no good either: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27455136/ |
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Post by hifigator on Nov 4, 2008 16:33:18 GMT -5
Thanks mc. I guess that makes a bit more sense. So the key isn't that you are discriminating against those that don't/didn't vote, but rather that you are illegally enticing people to vote.
I guess that's kind of a case of the baby getting thrown out with the bath water though. The "flaw" or "danger" was in people buying your vote. I don't see that any anonymous promo open to anyone walking in the door with an "I Voted" sticker should fall into that type of category, but I guess I see the importance of avoiding any appearance of evil.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 4, 2008 16:43:16 GMT -5
"This doesn't happen in America! Maybe Ohio, but not America!"
Yeah. I absentee'd a while ago. Pretty easy.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 4, 2008 17:24:53 GMT -5
speaking of absentees ... apparently the McCain camp sued to have Virginia count late arriving absentee ballots. They were supposed to have been sent out no later than Sept 20, but weren't even printed until several days after that. Only ones sent via express mail arrived on time. The judge hasn't ruled that they must be counted, but he ruled that they must be "preserved," until he can hear the case on its merits -- scheduled for November 10th. We may not have a President tonight afterall.
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Post by Boz on Nov 4, 2008 17:25:07 GMT -5
The first exit polls are leaking now....
Prepare to be misled, America!!!!
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Post by The Stig on Nov 4, 2008 17:33:56 GMT -5
After what happened last election, I don't think anybody's going to be touching exit polls with a 10 foot pole.
As far as the Tuesday/holiday issue, several countries have tried to boost turnout by moving their elections to Saturdays. Those experiments have consistently been successful.
Unfortunately, the people who are in power today (from both parties) got there through the current system, so there's a clear disincentive to change the system. If 50% turnout gets them elected, they want 50% turnout, not 75% turnout.
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Post by TC on Nov 4, 2008 17:40:16 GMT -5
Anyone have any links to any exit polls? I don't care if they have Bob Barr winning 450 EV's, I just want to look at something with some numbers.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 4, 2008 17:42:42 GMT -5
I just returned from voting in Hawaii at our local middle school.
No long lines, paper ballot that we submitted into a machine ourselves to be scanned.
All very easy.
One young man wearing an Obama T-Shirt was told to go outside and turn his shirt inside out before he would be allowed in to vote. He didn't object, nor did his accompanying family members, he just did as asked, returned and voted.
Then I went to Starbucks for my free cup a joe!
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 4, 2008 17:47:48 GMT -5
Anyone have any links to any exit polls? I don't care if they have Bob Barr winning 450 EV's, I just want to look at something with some numbers. In 13 minutes you can start getting results when polls begin to close, State by State. |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 4, 2008 18:29:19 GMT -5
FWIW, Drudge is saying:
EXIT POLLS CLAIM 'OBAMA +15' IN PA... DEVELOPING...
TOO CLOSE TO CALL AT CLOSE: FL, IN, OH...
SENATE: DEMS SEE 58 SEATS; EXIT POLLS SHOW OBAMA BIG
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 4, 2008 20:03:27 GMT -5
We are now 2 hours into election coverage, and there's not much yet for McCain supporters. With PA going to Obama, McCain's path to the presidency is difficult.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 4, 2008 20:27:38 GMT -5
We are now 2 hours into election coverage, and there's not much yet for McCain supporters. With PA going to Obama, McCain's path to the presidency is difficult. Prior to today, McCain folks said they can't win without PA. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 4, 2008 20:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 4, 2008 20:48:48 GMT -5
WOW! That about says it all. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 4, 2008 21:10:51 GMT -5
Tom Brokaw pointed out that 40 years ago, Grant Park was the staging area for the riots which tore apart the Democratic coalition and soiled the Daley legacy.
40 years later, his son is hosting a party for a half-million for the presumptive winner. Go figure.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 4, 2008 21:44:39 GMT -5
It's not just about over it is over.
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