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Post by nashvillehoyas on Oct 21, 2008 18:15:30 GMT -5
I was pleased to read the NBE recognition of former Hoya PG John Duren. Duren has to be one of the 5 best PGs in Hoya history. I appreciate the praise of him by JT II. He stated that Duren was one of his favorite players. I always knew that Duren would do something spectacular.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 21, 2008 18:36:49 GMT -5
I was pleased to read the NBE recognition of former Hoya PG John Duren. Duren has to be one of the 5 best PGs in Hoya history. I appreciate the praise of him by JT II. He stated that Duren was one of his favorite players. I always knew that Duren would do something spectacular. I didn't see the quote to which you were referring, but not only is Duren one of the Top 5 HOYA PGs of all time, a very strong argument could be made for him being the #1 HOYA PG of all time. Any time there is good news about John Duren... I am happy to read it. Duren and his buddy Craig Shelton were also HS pals with Jeff Green's Dad, who was himself a helluva HS player. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 21, 2008 19:03:10 GMT -5
is there a link to this nbe thing for duren great guy will never forget sat with him at his senior bball banquet and big john kept alluding too some trouble big john knew about and was gonna have a talking too him later and one tough bebe was a little scared great guy great point guard but ive always wondered what big johns guys found out about bebe.. just reading zos book by the way and theres alot of that in there including the rafel edwards story with big john watching out for his guys go hoyas go bebe WHERES THE LINK ??  |
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Post by sleepy on Oct 21, 2008 19:55:34 GMT -5
Before this thread goes any further. John Duren was not in the Top 5 he leads the Top 5 no question no argument no one comes close .dont tell me ai not a pg not sleepy not a point . not michael jackson doesnt come close. John Duren could be one of the best points in the history of BE.
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Post by grokamok on Oct 21, 2008 22:44:01 GMT -5
w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-all-time-top-50/Good Lord -- if this doesn't engender dozens of follow-up pages of commentary, bickering and debate (probably as a new thread) I don't know what would! I fear for the online well-being of the blogger (Chris Dokish out of Pittsburgh) should he make a less-than-obvious choice for #1.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 21, 2008 22:49:48 GMT -5
Aside from Ewing at #1, I'm not going to bicker much over the rankings. I think he's put a lot of effort in, and ranking is truly impossible, so I'm just going to appreciate it for the history of it all.
Really, effective rankings across 30 years and that many teams?
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 21, 2008 22:51:49 GMT -5
Aside from Ewing at #1, I'm not going to bicker much over the rankings. I think he's put a lot of effort in, and ranking is truly impossible, so I'm just going to appreciate it for the history of it all. Really, effective rankings across 30 years and that many teams? Is there anyone that can legitimately challenge Ewing for best BE player of all time? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not that knowledgeable about the Big East history outside of Gtown's. |
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Post by jgalt on Oct 21, 2008 23:11:53 GMT -5
Aside from Ewing at #1, I'm not going to bicker much over the rankings. I think he's put a lot of effort in, and ranking is truly impossible, so I'm just going to appreciate it for the history of it all. Really, effective rankings across 30 years and that many teams? Is there anyone that can legitimately challenge Ewing for best BE player of all time? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not that knowledgeable about the Big East history outside of Gtown's. No, esspecially when the criteria stat that a players impact on their program and the league is taken into account. What would Georgetown be with out Ewing? its even possible to ask what would college basketball be with out ewing? or what would espn be with out ewing? or even what would the pros be like with out ewing (that whole lottery thing)? |
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Post by njcoach on Oct 21, 2008 23:49:07 GMT -5
In the 1979 Pan Am Games final, a Cuban player blind sided All-America guard Kyle Macy with a blow that shattered his jaw and required emergency surgery. The big American fist that immediately crushed the offending Cuban belonged to none other than the great John Bebe Duren. Very cool guy.
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 22, 2008 0:16:23 GMT -5
Gerry McNamara? Really?
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 22, 2008 7:35:07 GMT -5
wont get into this stuff but bebe was REALLY REALLY GOOD nuf said go hoyas but any link to this honor thing anywhere???
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Post by gamp on Oct 22, 2008 9:12:57 GMT -5
Bay Bay
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Post by grokamok on Oct 22, 2008 10:00:39 GMT -5
Aside from Ewing at #1, I'm not going to bicker much over the rankings. I think he's put a lot of effort in, and ranking is truly impossible, so I'm just going to appreciate it for the history of it all. Really, effective rankings across 30 years and that many teams? Quite right, SF, but I imagine there will be plenty of conversation in any case. Evidence the preceding: McNamara was an integral part of the 'Cuse NCAA championship team, could be said to be the leader of their team for the better part of three years, started all four years, produced two BET titles (and was the overwhelming key to such in his senior year), was an All-Big East freshman, second team as a sophomore, first team both as a junior and as a senior, held the BE record for most 3s made and free throw percentage and scored over 2000 points. Now, there may be 50 BE players who were better; certainly there are 50 BE players who had more of an impact in the pros. But in putting someone up there ahead of him, one would have a pretty high hurdle to leap. We'll have to see what the rest of the list looks like and if there is an unranked list of "others considered" offered by the author before we can really make a call. Oh, and Syracuse sucks.  |
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Post by Filo on Oct 22, 2008 10:40:17 GMT -5
OK then, Brandin Knight? Top 50 Big East EVER? C'mon! I'd even put McNamara ahead of him.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Oct 22, 2008 17:19:13 GMT -5
Duren is one of the reasons we talk about Georgetown basketball today. He was an awesome presence for us out there on the court. What a player. I have no problem calling him the best pure PG in the history of the school.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 22, 2008 17:32:10 GMT -5
Duren belongs ahead of the three guys listed higher than he so far.
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Post by HoyaChris on Oct 22, 2008 18:18:57 GMT -5
Duren belongs ahead of the three guys listed higher than he so far. I would be inclined to give NBE the benefit of the doubt with regard to their ranking of Duren. There should be no question in anybody's mind that John Duren was a better college player than any of those currently listed ahead of him. On the other hand, Duren only played 9 Big East games (three of them in the Big East tournament). It is hard to rank him higher than very good players who played 7 or 8 times as many games. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 23, 2008 0:15:47 GMT -5
Duren belongs ahead of the three guys listed higher than he so far. I would be inclined to give NBE the benefit of the doubt with regard to their ranking of Duren. There should be no question in anybody's mind that John Duren was a better college player than any of those currently listed ahead of him. On the other hand, Duren only played 9 Big East games (three of them in the Big East tournament). It is hard to rank him higher than very good players who played 7 or 8 times as many games. Don't confuse me with facts when I am relying on memory! But Duren was the FIRST MVP of the First BET! Wow... only 7-8 games? Including the BET? |
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 23, 2008 0:59:31 GMT -5
Aside from Ewing at #1, I'm not going to bicker much over the rankings. I think he's put a lot of effort in, and ranking is truly impossible, so I'm just going to appreciate it for the history of it all. Really, effective rankings across 30 years and that many teams? Quite right, SF, but I imagine there will be plenty of conversation in any case. Evidence the preceding: McNamara was an integral part of the 'Cuse NCAA championship team, could be said to be the leader of their team for the better part of three years, started all four years, produced two BET titles (and was the overwhelming key to such in his senior year), was an All-Big East freshman, second team as a sophomore, first team both as a junior and as a senior, held the BE record for most 3s made and free throw percentage and scored over 2000 points. Now, there may be 50 BE players who were better; certainly there are 50 BE players who had more of an impact in the pros. But in putting someone up there ahead of him, one would have a pretty high hurdle to leap. We'll have to see what the rest of the list looks like and if there is an unranked list of "others considered" offered by the author before we can really make a call. Oh, and Syracuse sucks. I understand your points, however, I would argue that history will redeem its currently popular notion of rating certain beneficiaries of the "dead-talent" era of college basketball, and Gerry McNamara will be one who suffers from the revisionist corrections to come. I am merely arguing for acknowledgment of a revisionist correction sooner, rather than later. History at some point will acknowledge the weakened state of collegiate basketball during the late 90s/early 00s due to NBA draft rules and will move to downgrade "historical" accomplishments relative to other eras. |
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Post by 2ndRyan on Oct 23, 2008 1:14:57 GMT -5
I think during his time on the Hilltop John lived at home. I rmember him standing outside the Main Gate winter evenings waiting for the Metro bus (G-2?) home.
I also remember him destroying Ronnie Perry of Holy Cross in their head-to-head meetings
Heady player with a lot of heart.
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