hoyasexy
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Post by hoyasexy on Dec 18, 2007 10:34:20 GMT -5
From the sound of the recent SI article on Riek, it looks as though any chance of him attending college is very slim. It looks like, not only does he want to go straight to the NBA, his coach does not expect him to qualify academically.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 18, 2007 11:43:57 GMT -5
Riek will hurt a team's chemistry. That said, he should go to UCOnn where they don't have it.
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balla
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Post by balla on Dec 18, 2007 11:48:49 GMT -5
Reik is an 08 recruit. So why are his articles in an 09 thread?
Not that GU wants him in 08 or 09.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2007 12:54:39 GMT -5
Reik is an 08 recruit. So why are his articles in an 09 thread? Not that GU wants him in 08 or 09. Riek is listed in our 2009 table since it was never clear what class he might be a part of. I'm happy to change that if that's the current thinking and if it would make you happy.
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Post by balla on Dec 18, 2007 14:19:38 GMT -5
Reik is an 08 recruit. So why are his articles in an 09 thread? Not that GU wants him in 08 or 09. Riek is listed in our 2009 table since it was never clear what class he might be a part of. I'm happy to change that if that's the current thinking and if it would make you happy. thanks. Not a big deal. I don't think he knows how old he is, let alone what class he should be in. So there is not much any of us could really know. He would not be a good fit for the GU system anyway. Roy was a project, but he had the required skills to function in the system(passing-shooting). Reik does not have any of the offensive skills that a center needs in this offense, and it would take to long to develop him...
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Dec 18, 2007 14:30:03 GMT -5
I can't get over the current state of affairs. This thread about "2009 Recruits" has devolved into a thread about nothing. We have an embarrassment of riches and do not have to obsess over every little mention we get from mediocre players. JTIII is my homeboy.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Dec 18, 2007 15:56:19 GMT -5
agreed. our team is going to be ridiculous next year, and beyond. JTIII gets kids that fit in with our system.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 18, 2007 16:27:18 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Roy was a Esherick recruit. I am not sure III would even recruit a Roy type at this juncture. It is a good problem to have though.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 18, 2007 16:36:55 GMT -5
GU was Roy's dream school since he was 11 or 12. He was a McDonough gym rat since he was 13 or 14, banging around with our alumni centers. He fell on the program's lap. Let's not make it sound as if Esh discovered him. It's like saying Esh had a winning record and not laughing, when we all know that he used the cupcakes to puff his W-L resume.
At least Esh offered. He could have screwed that up too.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 18, 2007 16:42:02 GMT -5
GU was Roy's dream school since he was 11 or 12. He was a McDonough gym rat since he was 13 or 14, banging around with our alumni centers. He fell on the program's lap. Let's not make it sound as if Esh discovered him. It's like saying Esh had a winning record and not laughing, when we all know that he used the cupcakes to puff his W-L resume. At least Esh offered. He could have screwed that up too. It is true Roy loved GU, but that love continued while Esh was coach. Heck, Grant Hill loved GU growing up too but he never ended up on the Hilltop during Pops time as Coach. Neither did Kenny Anderson, Shaq, etc. There is plenty of legitimate criticism to be made of Esh, but it isn't fair to deny him the things he did well. And leaving JT3 with Jeff, Roy and Tyler was a great parting gift for our Hoyas. Yes, we can discuss how their careers may or may not have progressed under different coaches, but that doesn't change the fact that Esh got them to GU. He deserves credit for that.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 18, 2007 18:27:55 GMT -5
Again, Roy would have come with or without Esh. No credit for that, other than that he offered the scholarship and that he didn't mess it up.
As for Jeff, who would like to check the threads circa his h.s. senior season regarding his recruitment and his signing? I think it was done after he was fired.
As for Tyler, I don't remember when he signed.
Could the PE Jr. stay at Indiana be related to him not wanting to play for Esh?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 18, 2007 19:30:52 GMT -5
Jeff committed to Esherick and his staff prior to Esherick's removal. However, Jeff had not qualified academically until the final SAT session in the spring, after JT3 was hired. As the school year progressed, speculation was rampant that Jeff would throw the SAT exam (speculation on UMD sites, SU sites, etc.), take a prep year, and go elsewhere. Coach Hopkins at SU went so far as to say at an alumni golf outing that Jeff would play for Syracuse.
So, Jeff had committed to Esherick et al., but it was not a done deal until JT3 was leading our program. Now, the two events may or may not be related, but that is the chronology.
Tyler committed early to Esherick. Esherick offered Tyler ahead of Folarin Campbell of GMU (and Springbrook HS), and Tyler's situation was another "dream school" scenario.
Your point on PE2 is spot on and requires no question mark from what I understand.
Perhaps the biggest debacle is the Guibunda, Foster, etc. situation in his final year. We never offered Shan Foster due to a bigger interest in Guibunda or Aaron Pettway. I don't remember exactly how it went down, but, in any event, it was probably a mistake in an otherwise solid recruiting class.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2007 20:03:24 GMT -5
This is a thread about prospective 2009 recruits, people. Keep it on topic. Start another thread if you wish to re-hash ancient history yet again.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 18, 2007 21:51:39 GMT -5
Hibbert committed to Esherick. To say that he would've in any scenario is silly. He still committed to Esherick.
Green committed to Esherick. JTIII resecured him, which is nice, but to imply that Green would have thrown the SAT to back out if Esherick had still been the coach is ridiculous, so I hope you aren't doing it.
Ewing Jr. not attending Georgetown was not even attributed to Esherick at the time despite massive amounts of venom then, so I wonder how it could be spot on. Speculation then was that his mother was not a fan of Junior attending the school.
Shan Foster was not offered because of waiting on Aaron Pettway. That was a big mistake, since we didn't get Pettway and the guy busted.
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I was not a huge fan of Esherick, but it is amazing how everything the guy did is somehow spun as a negative. He recruited two of the top players in Georgetown history as a head coach. Period. Everything else is speculation. Just because he was not a good head coach doesn't mean everything he did was done poorly.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 18, 2007 23:05:23 GMT -5
Of course I am not saying that Jeff threw or attempted to throw the SAT and stated very clearly that the idea was generally trafficked on SU and UMD sites. What I do remember is a Hoya word vs. word of many others battle when very little was clear. Ignoring that the idea was out there at the time is factually wrong, while the idea itself turned out to be dubious at best. As to PE2, he has said since his recruitment that, "[M]e and the [Georgetown] coach weren't the best of friends." Source: tinyurl.com/2ox5thSo, I think PE2's stay at Indiana may be related in some way to not wanting to play for Esherick, which was the original point to which I responded. It was a retrospective remark by the poster, not a prospective one that was necessarily contemplated at the time of PE2's recruitment by our fans. I commented on the former, and your critique relates to the latter. But I do believe that Esherick is one of the reasons why Ewing Jr. was not originally a Hoya on the basis of this kind of remark. Would you commit to a school where you and the Head Coach "[aren't] the best of friends?" Maybe. JT3 seemed to do it at Princeton. But, I would submit that it isn't the norm (not necessarily to the degree that players necessarily only commit to "best friends" but they seek out situations where they are friendly with the coaches). And, this is taking a generous, literal interpretation of the remarks as recorded. Add in that PE2 and the team probably do not want or need to critique Esherick publicly since he is not involved in the day-to-day activities of the program. I do give credit to him for recruiting Jeff and Roy. He deserves credit for that as a matter of fact and fairness.
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balla
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Post by balla on Dec 18, 2007 23:09:57 GMT -5
Well I think this thread got a nice long run before it deteriorated. Not too shabby
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2007 23:37:52 GMT -5
SECOND NOTICE: Keep the discussion on topic - i.e., 2009 recruits.
TAKE THE DISCUSSION OF WHICH FORMER COACH SIGNED WHAT FORMER/CURRENT PLAYER AND SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE PLAYERS WERE THINKING AT THE TIME TO A SEPARATE THREAD.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 19, 2007 11:35:35 GMT -5
Sorry to derail the thread... it's the ESH EFFECT!
Thanks for the retro, Jersey. I'm sticking with my point of view expressed above and not another word here about it.
Back to 2009 recruits...
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 19, 2007 12:56:34 GMT -5
now all we need is a DFW-JerseyHoya slap fight on the pros and cons of Esh the Man and Esh the Coach, and this discussion will complete its predictable cycle.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 23, 2007 10:53:28 GMT -5
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