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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 28, 2011 13:13:44 GMT -5
The swift-boat stuff went far beyond a mere critique of a veteran. To call it a critique even is a disservice given the degree to which the argument was divorced from reality in the first place. It went so far as to allege that he did not earn his medals, a claim discredited by medical records and the Pentagon's own investigation.
Taken with Corsi's involvement with the birther movement, I have my doubts as to his motives. Of course, heaven forbid someone question those even while our President is compared to terrorists, illegal immigrants, and so forth.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2011 14:12:18 GMT -5
The swift-boat stuff went far beyond a mere critique of a veteran. To call it a critique even is a disservice given the degree to which the argument was divorced from reality in the first place. It went so far as to allege that he did not earn his medals, a claim discredited by medical records and the Pentagon's own investigation. Taken with Corsi's involvement with the birther movement, I have my doubts as to his motives. Of course, heaven forbid someone question those even while our President is compared to terrorists, illegal immigrants, and so forth. No, you can question away. I just find it amusing that there's all this talk that the birther movement is simply racism in disguise. Wouldn't Corsi be the rebuttal to that? Kerry is white. Obama is black. Corsi goes after both. It's not racism, it's anti-Democrat/liberal/etc. |
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Post by TC on Apr 28, 2011 14:28:29 GMT -5
No, you can question away. I just find it amusing that there's all this talk that the birther movement is simply racism in disguise. Wouldn't Corsi be the rebuttal to that? Kerry is white. Obama is black. Corsi goes after both. It's not racism, it's anti-Democrat/liberal/etc. Corsi would be the rebuttal if he attacked both Kerry and Obama on birther grounds. He didn't. Why? I doubt Donald Trump is a racist, but I definitely think he's dog-whistling and playing upon the racial biases and fears of others. |
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2011 14:56:10 GMT -5
No, you can question away. I just find it amusing that there's all this talk that the birther movement is simply racism in disguise. Wouldn't Corsi be the rebuttal to that? Kerry is white. Obama is black. Corsi goes after both. It's not racism, it's anti-Democrat/liberal/etc. Corsi would be the rebuttal if he attacked both Kerry and Obama on birther grounds. He didn't. Why? Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 28, 2011 14:59:30 GMT -5
Corsi would be the rebuttal if he attacked both Kerry and Obama on birther grounds. He didn't. Why? Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. There never were for Obama either - at least in the serious, honest sense. That's the point. |
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2011 15:05:07 GMT -5
Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. There never were for Obama either - at least in the serious, honest sense. That's the point. If that's your opinion, you'll never understand it. |
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Apr 28, 2011 15:05:51 GMT -5
Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. There never were for Obama either - at least in the serious, honest sense. That's the point. Bingo. The idea that there were even circumstances that called this into question is ridiculous. These same "circumstances" could have been used to argue that every Hawaiian that applied for a U.S. Passport should have been turned down because of inadequate documentation. Better yet - anyone from any state that has computerized their birth certificate records in favor of dealing with paper documents... these "circumstances" could have called into question their citizenship too. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 28, 2011 15:06:58 GMT -5
Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. Exactly. KC's insinuation that there actually WERE "circumstances that called into question whether [Obama] was born in the US" is exactly what this whole birther nonsense was built on -- insinuations totally devoid of factual or logical support. |
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Post by Boz on Apr 28, 2011 15:12:30 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 28, 2011 15:18:55 GMT -5
I doubt Donald Trump is a racist, but I definitely think he's dog-whistling and playing upon the racial biases and fears of others Except that as soon as Obama produced a long form birth certificate, Trump immediately started questioning Obama's grades -- as being insufficient to gain admittance to Columbia or Harvard Law. Claiming "everyone knows" or some such nonsense. Again, with no proof or support whatsoever. Oh, and never mind Obama was editor of the Law Review. "Hmmmm. Obama's grades were so bad he couldn't have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law? WOW! Gosh... then how on earth did he ever manage to get in? Let's see. ... Oh, I've got it! He must have been one of those Black guys who got in solely on the basis of Affirmative Action, taking the place of a much more deserving white person in the process. That's wrong! And without that, he never would have been able to get his political career going. And he NEVER would have been able to be elected Senator from Illinois. And he NEVER would have been elected President! because he was never qualified in the first place! His entire presidency has been a sham! His election was illegitimate. He never should have gotten to the White House!" So are you still thinking that Trump isn't a racist? Anyone who would resort to racist arguments, is a racist. Is there any other realistic way to interpret Trump's latest attempt to delegitimize Obama's presidency via questioning his grades from decades ago? |
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Post by TC on Apr 28, 2011 15:22:00 GMT -5
Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. Sure there are! - Kerry's Mom lived in France! - Kerry's Dad was a foreign service officer! - His wife wasn't born in the US and wasn't a US citizen by birth - Was he really born in Colorado? How come no one remembers him being born in Colorado? Where's the birth certificate? So why not these absurd arguments in Kerry's case but very similar ones in Obama's? |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 28, 2011 15:36:53 GMT -5
I doubt Donald Trump is a racist, but I definitely think he's dog-whistling and playing upon the racial biases and fears of others Except that as soon as Obama produced a long form birth certificate, Trump immediately started questioning Obama's grades -- as being insufficient to gain admittance to Columbia or Harvard Law. Claiming "everyone knows" or some such nonsense. Again, with no proof or support whatsoever. Oh, and never mind Obama was editor of the Law Review. "Hmmmm. Obama's grades were so bad he couldn't have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law? WOW! Gosh... then how on earth did he ever manage to get in? Let's see. ... Oh, I've got it! He must have been one of those Black guys who got in solely on the basis of Affirmative Action, taking the place of a much more deserving white person in the process. That's wrong! And without that, he never would have been able to get his political career going. And he NEVER would have been able to be elected Senator from Illinois. And he NEVER would have been elected President! because he was never qualified in the first place! His entire presidency has been a sham! His election was illegitimate. He never should have gotten to the White House!" So are you still thinking that Trump isn't a racist? Anyone who would resort to racist arguments, is a racist. Is there any other realistic way to interpret Trump's latest attempt to delegitimize Obama's presidency via questioning his grades from decades ago? +1 And to think that I once played in a Trump casino. Never again in life. |
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Post by TC on Apr 28, 2011 15:50:39 GMT -5
So are you still thinking that Trump isn't a racist? Anyone who would resort to racist arguments, is a racist. There's such a inherent dishonesty in campaigning that outright lies are seen by people who understand they are not true as just "campaigning". I side more with what Bando posted on the top of page 11, it doesn't mean I think what he's trying to do is any less disgusting. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 28, 2011 19:01:10 GMT -5
I agree. Hillary Clinton should be given a spanking for starting this whole thing. She does deserve one for that - as does Mark Penn and the goblins of his ilk. Her husband did take a beating around the time of the SC primaries and deservedly so although that was not connected with the birther issue per se. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 28, 2011 19:04:23 GMT -5
Umm, because there were never any circumstances that called into question whether Kerry was born in the US. Sure there are! - Kerry's Mom lived in France! - Kerry's Dad was a foreign service officer! - His wife wasn't born in the US and wasn't a US citizen by birth - Was he really born in Colorado? How come no one remembers him being born in Colorado? Where's the birth certificate? So why not these absurd arguments in Kerry's case but very similar ones in Obama's? The Kerry case is illustrative - particularly because Karl Rove and the Bush campaign went on record as saying they wanted people to believe he was French and fought for the Viet Cong. |
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Post by Boz on Apr 28, 2011 20:13:32 GMT -5
I agree. Hillary Clinton should be given a spanking for starting this whole thing. She does deserve one for that - as does Mark Penn and the goblins of his ilk. Her husband did take a beating around the time of the SC primaries and deservedly so although that was not connected with the birther issue per se. Really, I just wanted to put that mental image in everyone's head. I'm sick that way. ;D |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 30, 2011 14:16:07 GMT -5
It looks like Romney made an aggressive play to hang with the Barbour constituency today.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Apr 30, 2011 14:39:58 GMT -5
It looks like Romney made an aggressive play to hang with the Barbour constituency today. Metaphorically speaking of course... you have be careful these days.  |
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Post by TC on Apr 30, 2011 17:34:48 GMT -5
It looks like Romney made an aggressive play to hang with the Barbour constituency today. Romney clearly misspoke and stumbled around apologetically for about ten seconds because he clearly didn't want to be interpreted as using violent metaphor or the dog whistle context of "hang him". If anything I give him credit for his bumbling there because he clearly didn't want to say that. Contrast that with elected members of his party who would have absolutely no problem with purposefully stating what he said by accident. |
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