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Post by RDF on Sept 23, 2008 14:08:24 GMT -5
 Is he really someone you retire a jersey at your school? I mean it's Kansas--the National Champions--and one of the most storied basketball programs in country and Hinrich is nowhere near the level of anyone who played in the backcourt of last year's Jayhawk team--Collins, Chalmers, etc...and I know he's in NBA, etc...but he sucks and is one of the most overrated players in the league. Oh well--maybe Chris Piper and Milt Newton will get their jerseys retired next.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 23, 2008 14:20:21 GMT -5
Yep ... all the great ones. Chamberlin, Hinrich ...
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Sept 27, 2008 9:34:01 GMT -5
Despite his lackluster play in the NBA, Hinrich was a beast in college. Kansas had some down years. The Collison/Hinrich combo forned a very dominating and formidable team.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 27, 2008 10:28:53 GMT -5
Hinrich nowhere near the level of the guys who played in Kansas' backcourt last season? That's just stupid. Really stupid. I hate Kansas and i hated Hinrich at Kansas but the guy led them to the national championship game, was a third team all american and was a top 10 draft pick in the nba draft. The guy has started virtually every game of his 5 year NBA career. He's certainly not close to a Deron Williams but anybody who can be a starter for a NBA club from the getgo, no matter how crappy the team, has to be a good player. Call me up when either Chalmers or Sheron Collins (who i really like) has 376 career starts in the NBA.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 27, 2008 10:41:53 GMT -5
Hinrich nowhere near the level of the guys who played in Kansas' backcourt last season? That's just stupid. Really stupid. I hate Kansas and i hated Hinrich at Kansas but the guy led them to the national championship game, was a third team all american and was a top 10 draft pick in the nba draft. The guy has started virtually every game of his 5 year NBA career. He's certainly not close to a Deron Williams but anybody who can be a starter for a NBA club from the getgo, no matter how crappy the team, has to be a good player. Call me up when either Chalmers or Sheron Collins (who i really like) has 376 career starts in the NBA. There's no denying that he was a very good college player, but I'm with RDF on this one. I just think that retiring a jersey should be done very, very selectively. You say he was a 3rd team All-American. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think third team AA status warrants a retired jersey. I'm not knocking the person or the player; I'm just sayin' ... |
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 27, 2008 11:05:50 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't retire his jersey but to say he's nowhere near Chalmers or Collins. C'mon. We're talking about a guy who is going to play a decade in the NBA. Any guy who can stick that long in the NBA, and it's not like he's a scrub off the bench, has my respect as a ballplayer.
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Post by mapei on Sept 27, 2008 11:24:40 GMT -5
I don't think the NBA should have anything to do with how someone is regarded as a college player and contributor to a collegiate program. And I don't think there's much question that the guy meant a lot to that program. In the end, it's very subjective, which is how it should be.
I wish the Hoyas hung the jerseys of our college greats instead of their pro jerseys in McDonough. It makes it look like we're just a farm team for the NBA. A lot of the same guys would be up there, but as Hoyas, not Knicks or Hornets.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2008 0:19:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry--but you are talking about a school where Wilt Chamberlain played and Danny Manning--who was a great college player and many more GREAT college players played. Kirk Hinrich was decent--but to use his NBA background--where he is one of the most overrated players in the league--and use that as an argument against Chalmers--who you've not even allowed to play a game before judging--despite the fact he led his team to a Championship which Hinrich did NOT do--and did so in less years on campus and while sacrificing some stats for better of team--then I don't take any argument in favor of Hinrich seriously.
Jacque Vaughn did as much for Kansas as Kirk Hinrich and he's been in NBA longer as well--actually has an NBA ring too, does he have his jersey retired? If Hinrich does--I'd like to think Vaughn would.
As someone who actually watches Hinrich play and can make judgements outside of NBA hype and bullcrap--he STINKS. He's a hackmaster known for "defense"--yet he can't guard anyone who can play, he's a bad shooter, and Bulls drafted over him. So how exactly does this signify greatness? Just want to know. Collison and Aaron Miles might be next then.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 28, 2008 7:00:14 GMT -5
Is he really someone you retire a jersey at your school? I mean it's Kansas--the National Champions--and one of the most storied basketball programs in country and Hinrich is nowhere near the level of anyone who played in the backcourt of last year's Jayhawk team--Collins, Chalmers, etc...and I know he's in NBA, etc...but he sucks and is one of the most overrated players in the league. Oh well--maybe Chris Piper and Milt Newton will get their jerseys retired next. Gotta disagree. He had a better college career than Collins or Chalmers and his four year run at the school was one of the most successful in Kansas' history (of course he had a couple of stud inside players to help him out on that front). Plus he was an All American. That alone gets you a retired jersey at most schools . Its not about what he does in the NBA (although he has had a solid pro career so far); its about what he accomplished at the school. |
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 28, 2008 8:38:47 GMT -5
RDF, i agree, what happens in the NBA shouldn't have any bearing upon whether or not a guy's number should be retired in college. I was just pointing it out in reference to your "nowhere near the level" of Chalmers and Collins. I personally think Hinrich is overrated but the guy was great at Kansas and has been decent as a pro. BTW, don't you think you should let the Kansas folks decide what jersey number they should retire. It's their school and you're an outsider. Let them do what they want. Hinrich obviously meant alot to them.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2008 10:03:01 GMT -5
Is Jacque Vaughn's jersey retired? If not--then Hinrich's shouldn't be. If so--then I can understand it. Sleepy--you are right--but I just found it odd because I've never viewed Hinrich as a good player--at any level.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 28, 2008 11:48:03 GMT -5
I hear ya. Just wait until Gmac's jersey is retired at Syracuse.
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