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Post by Bando on Sept 13, 2008 12:12:01 GMT -5
But to be fair, she didn't give ANY of the definitions of what the "Bush Doctrine" was, she sat there trying to bluff her way through because she didn't know what Gibson was talking about. Embarrassing, but the people voting because of Sarah Palin don't know what the Bush Doctrine is either, so it's not exactly a "potatoe" moment. ] Exactly. The Bush Doctrine contains the uncontroversial "if you harbor terrorists, you will be treated like terrorists" provision and the very controversial "the US reserves the right to attack a nation before it becomes a threat to US security" provision. Palin said the Bush doctrine was about "imminent threats", which is what the second part of the Bush Doctrine specifically renounces. She had no idea what she was talking about. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 13, 2008 12:27:51 GMT -5
Two points:
1. The "Bush Doctrine" does not really exist per se. I'm sure it was by accident, but her response of "you mean his world view?" is actually probably more accurate.
2. It's just a little bit ironic that those who are berating her for apparently not knowing the definition of this nebulous doctrine seem to be ignoring the fact that "The Palin Doctrine" certainly seems more sensible, particularly from the liberal point of view.
As Juan Williams noted, those who doubted her were not really reassured by this interview, and those who support here were not really put off by this interview. How it plays in the middle will be the question, but I don't see any real damage here.
Either way, should be a fun SNL tonight. Not that I'll watch it, but I'm sure I'll see it tomorrow. Wonder if Tina Fey will come back to play the governor. (also, William Shatner supposedly is making an appearance -- always good!)
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 13, 2008 13:52:59 GMT -5
Two points: 1. The "Bush Doctrine" does not really exist per se. I'm sure it was by accident, but her response of "you mean his world view?" is actually probably more accurate. 2. It's just a little bit ironic that those who are berating her for apparently not knowing the definition of this nebulous doctrine seem to be ignoring the fact that "The Palin Doctrine" certainly seems more sensible, particularly from the liberal point of view. As Juan Williams noted, those who doubted her were not really reassured by this interview, and those who support here were not really put off by this interview. How it plays in the middle will be the question, but I don't see any real damage here. Either way, should be a fun SNL tonight. Not that I'll watch it, but I'm sure I'll see it tomorrow. Wonder if Tina Fey will come back to play the governor. (also, William Shatner supposedly is making an appearance -- always good!) It HAS TO be Tina! Of all the SNL cast members ever to play a president/VP candidate, I think this is the strongest look-alike yet. Darrell Hammond has the ability to pull off anyone he wants to, but Tina Fey legit looks like Palin. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 13, 2008 14:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 13, 2008 15:11:07 GMT -5
Again, why does it matter if the meaning of the "Bush Doctrine" is somewhat fungible? She didn't treat it that way - she bluffed her way through because she didn't know whether it was something she should know or whether it was something that could have multiple meanings. The "Bush Doctrine" is a term that people who read the Op-Ed page of the NYT would use. That's not Sarah Palin, and she was picked specifically because she's not that person. Sarah Palin is going to be effective if the Republicans stay true to what she actually is (hockey mom, State Governor, uber-competitive, in-your-face hard-ass). If they try to go off-point and try to snooker people into believing that she's also some sort of super-woman policy wonk, this is all going to backfire and she's going to end up looking fake. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 13, 2008 15:18:15 GMT -5
To some extent, this shows why people like Mr. Krauthammer (who I have met. He was a really huge jerk, but in general, I often agree with his politics) should not go around creating "Doctrines" whenever they feel like it. He's quick to criticize Gibson, but let's pause for a moment and realize that it's Charles who decided to start referring to a completely un-definable "Doctrine," and while the President is STILL IN OFFICE! It's completely absurd on his part and on Gibson's to try to make such grand proclamations abotu a President who is still evolving. And then this: "In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage." It IS NOT "SNOBBERY" OR "CONDESCENSION" TO POINT OUT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THINGS OR HAVEN'T DONE THINGS. It's just a statement of fact: Sarah Palin has done nothing in the realm of international affairs, and to this point, there is no indication that she knows enough to play with the big boys and girls on that level. That's not snobbery. That's reality. Finally, I think it's getting to the point where the CONSERVATIVES are keeping this woman held up like a giant shield. Just throw her around all over the place to take the attacks while Johnnie Boy gets to lob unfounded and insulting grenades at Barack. It's nonsense. |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Sept 13, 2008 18:53:27 GMT -5
this is simple. palin is wrong on policy. done.
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Sept 13, 2008 21:08:21 GMT -5
Read on about the "Bush Doctrine".
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Phew. I'm just glad to know I'm not a total idiot. In real time, as my wife can attest, I was pretty shocked I had that wrong.
this is simple. palin is wrong on policy. done.
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Well, we have confirmation McCain will not win this thing in a shutout. :-)
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 13, 2008 22:38:55 GMT -5
"Gamechanger" just occurred on SNL with Tina Fay playing Sarah Palin and the Amy Proehler doing Hillary. SNL completely ripped Palin for playing the sexism card and the press for backing off of her on her lack of credentials. Hopefully, it will have the same type of effect that it had during the Democratic primary.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Sept 13, 2008 23:23:50 GMT -5
"Gamechanger" just occurred on SNL with Tina Fay playing Sarah Palin and the woman who does the Hillary impersonation doing Hillary. SNL completely ripped Palin for playing the sexism card and the press for backing off of her on her lack of credentials. Hopefully, it will have the same type of effect that it had during the Democratic primary. It will. I can now confidently say neither Hillary Clinton nor Sarah Palin will be elected president. |
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Post by TC on Sept 14, 2008 4:02:59 GMT -5
I doubt it will change the way people vote, but watch it change the way this race has been reported. That skit had virtually no teeth in attacking Palin, it was attacking the press.
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Post by Boz on Sept 14, 2008 11:09:13 GMT -5
The skit was really funny. Tina Fay was great when she was doing her modeling poses and "I can see Russia from my house." Amy Pohler was much funnier though. But "gamechanger"? Really? I think that's wishful thinking. Irregardless ( ;D) here's the clip (until NBC makes them take it down anyway): www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-o_n_126249.htmlI fast forwarded through the rest of the show though & was hoping to stop at the funny part. It never happened. I haven't paid much attention the last couple of years; does SNL really suck that much? (outside of the political skits) |
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Post by The Stig on Sept 14, 2008 11:45:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure that skit alone was a game changer, but if Fey keeps doing Palin skits we might just get one. Remember the SNL debate parodies from 2000?
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 14, 2008 18:28:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure that skit alone was a game changer, but if Fey keeps doing Palin skits we might just get one. Remember the SNL debate parodies from 2000? It may come as a surprise to some who are a bit younger than I that 95% of the electorate does not watch SNL. |
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Sept 14, 2008 22:19:22 GMT -5
SNL sucks at being funny. Michael Phelps sucks at acting. Lil' Wayne sucks at rapping. Yet all three of these groups/people earn millions of dollars. God bless America.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 14, 2008 22:26:01 GMT -5
It may come as a surprise to some who are a bit younger than I that 95% of the electorate does not watch SNL. It may come as a surprise to you ed, but some attribute some of Gore's troubles during the 2000 election to the portrayal of his debate performance on SNL. Of course it's a small percentage of the electorate that watches SNL live, but the media's subsequent coverage of the skits gets people's attention- and as proven by the Democratic primary, it definitely gets the attention of the media. |
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 15, 2008 9:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Sept 15, 2008 9:55:01 GMT -5
SNL sucks at being funny. Michael Phelps sucks at acting. Lil' Wayne sucks at rapping. Yet all three of these groups/people earn millions of dollars. God bless America. Well said, Pushy. ;D |
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2008 11:32:28 GMT -5
I guess I am just an old fuddy-duddy, because I outgrew SNL quite some time ago. But don't get me wrong, I used to love it. Radner, Belushi, Chevy Chase, Steve Martin etc... there were some classics on there. Mr. Bill, Hans and Franz, Rosanna-Rosanna-Dana .... etc... and of course who will ever forget the infamous "Need more cowbell?"
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Post by HealyHoya on Sept 15, 2008 13:12:59 GMT -5
SNL = irrelevant to the election.
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