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Post by TC on Sept 5, 2008 11:30:19 GMT -5
Maybe McCain's just a big fan of Walter Reed alumni Adam Carolla and Molly Ringwald.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 5, 2008 11:47:04 GMT -5
I liked how the slide that was supposed to represent Walter Reed Army Medical Center was actually a picture of Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, CA. Actually, there's no truth to that - it's just an internet theory. Think about it, what would be the purpose of showing a picture of the WRAMC at that point in the speech? And you can't tell me that anyone has any idea of what the Medical Center actually looks like. Here's a pic:  You think THAT is what the convention planners wanted on the screen? |
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Sept 5, 2008 11:50:23 GMT -5
Why hasn't anyone superimposed LOL Cats on McCain's green screen?
"I can haz cheseburger, and 100 years of war"
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 5, 2008 11:59:20 GMT -5
Maybe McCain's just a big fan of Walter Reed alumni Adam Carolla and Molly Ringwald. And hoyarooter! I heard much of McCain's speech on the radio as I was driving home from work, so did not see this. Truly, truly hilarious. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 5, 2008 12:28:09 GMT -5
Ha, wow - that is really, really embarrassing. This never would have happened if Karl Rove was still alive. That was pretty funny, Jack. ;D But I don't get the "really, really embarrassing" notion. It was not that big a deal. I'm also wondering how everyone seems to know what the picture was "supposed" to be of. But you all seem to be having fun with it, so knock yourselves out. |
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 5, 2008 12:44:48 GMT -5
Um, I think it is embarrassing if the GOP wanted to conjure up a picture of Walter Reed Medical Center to further the notion of wars, veterans, injuries, recoveries...and some low-level techie instead put up a picture of a middle school in California...
I don't know if that was the true intention or not...I am just saying, if it was, the actual result is embarrassing.
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Post by Jack on Sept 5, 2008 12:45:14 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 5, 2008 13:38:51 GMT -5
Actually, there's no truth to that - it's just an internet theory. Think about it, what would be the purpose of showing a picture of the WRAMC at that point in the speech? And you can't tell me that anyone has any idea of what the Medical Center actually looks like. I completely agree with you - I have no idea what Walter Reed looks like, never been there. I don't have any expectation that anyone that does presentations for the McCain convention would or should either. But you can't convince me that they just chose a picture of a middle school with a nice lawn for no reason at all other than they liked the gardening. |
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Sept 5, 2008 13:51:40 GMT -5
A little off topic I guess, but I saw that today's Gallup Poll daily tracking report shows 48% Obama / 44% McCain. If I remember correctly, looks like last night picked up 3% points (which may be within the margin of error).
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Post by Boz on Sept 5, 2008 13:52:19 GMT -5
Jack's theory - or the theory Jack linked to - actually makes the most sense...to me anyway.
But I watch too much TV.
EDIT: I'd also add that, if you want to turn this thread into a discussion of "embarrassing" imagery, well, I think Obama's far outstripped his opponent in that category. I'll be happy to provide plenty of links if you want.
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 5, 2008 13:57:57 GMT -5
Damn you, Jack. I was about to make a Biden/McGarry comment yesterday but thought it might tempt fate too much. Of course, according to the show's writers, Alda was going to win until Spencer died, at which point they decided to rewrite the ending to have Smits win. Something tells me, however, that McCain won't settle for Secretary of State. |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Sept 5, 2008 14:32:08 GMT -5
the first 90% of the speech was average -- pretty good for McCain, but nothing like Obama, or even Palin. However, I thought the last 10% was incredible. Kinda like his voting record in the last 8 years -- ba-zing! I did think the criticisms of both parties were pretty valid though, and McC showed flashes of why he's the only Repub who could win this cycle. Overall, not a bad job by a dude who's a legendary retailer and an equally un-legendary wholesaler. I dunno about you all but after two weeks, I'm politics'ed-out. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 5, 2008 14:43:48 GMT -5
the first 90% of the speech was average -- pretty good for McCain, but nothing like Obama, or even Palin. However, I thought the last 10% was incredible. Kinda like his voting record in the last 8 years -- ba-zing! I did think the criticisms of both parties were pretty valid though, and McC showed flashes of why he's the only Repub who could win this cycle. Overall, not a bad job by a dude who's a legendary retailer and an equally un-legendary wholesaler. I dunno about you all but after two weeks, I'm politics'ed-out. Heyyyyyy....that's my line. OK, it's Stewie's line. Well played, C2C.  I agree a break is in order, though I'll probably not be able to live up to that. No political sniping until Sept. 26? Boy, I don't know..... (to borrow again from Aaron Sorkin) |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 5, 2008 15:16:24 GMT -5
My take on McCain's speech. In comparison with other telepromptered McCain speeches this one was above average. In comparison with Obama's or Palin's acceptance speeches, McCain's was far worse. McCain just doesn't know how to use the inflections of his voice or the decibels of his voice at the right time to accent what he wants to say. The best part of McCain's was the end and his own accounting of his captivity and torture but he would have been much better served if many other speakers had not covered the same ground, if not as effectively. Similar to John Kerry's over-emphasis on his service in Vietnam. The worst part of McCain's speech was his litany of various people that had lost their jobs, had difficulties due to the economy, etc. I thought for a few minutes I was listening to a nanny-state Democrat. I don't think McCain did very much to help himself with his speech nor do I think he did very much to hurt himself. In this convention he was greatly overshadowed by Palin. I have to agree. McCain is just not the orator that others are. But if Kerry emphasized his service in Vietnam some more vis a vis Bush's service in Texas and Arkansas, we might be in a different situation today. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 5, 2008 15:44:43 GMT -5
A little off topic I guess, but I saw that today's Gallup Poll daily tracking report shows 48% Obama / 44% McCain. If I remember correctly, looks like last night picked up 3% points (which may be within the margin of error). These polls are 3-day averages and the Gallup and Rasmussen included only one day post Palin's address and none post-McCain's address. The prior day's poll had Obama up by 6 or 7. We will have to wait another 3 days to determine the real impact of the Republican convention. |
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 15:44:44 GMT -5
I get sick and tired of "rhetoric." That 90% comment comes from a voting record with respect to one of two positions. Sometimes it is not that simple. In fact it is almost never that simple. Similarly, Obama's record over his tenure stands at 95% -- meaning that he deviated from his "party line" vote only 5% of the time. On that stat alone, you would have to give McCain the clear edge. Granted 5% isn't a large overall number, but when you compare it as the difference from 5% and 10% then it is obviously twice as much. In that light, that is a very significant difference. More importantly however, are the support and promotion of bills. Many, many times that won't come through in simple voting record numbers. Pet projects get attatched to bills such that voting "for" the bill is akin to aiding special intersts. Similarly, voting against, because of the pork attatched, will be politicized as voting to deny our troops the money they need, for example. We all know that bills have multiple elements. It is probably more common than not, to have a bill that has both positive and negative elements. You and I might disagree as to which are positive and which are negative, but that doesn't change that fact.
McCain is clearly not a Bush clone in any way shape or form. They differ dramatically on major issues such as health care and immigration. they differ dramatically on less major issues such as stem cell research. They differ dramatically on some areas of energy independence. Yes, they are both for increased drilling, as am I. But McCain is much more of a leader in expansion of alternative fuels.
Over the next couple of months, Obama-Biden will try to insist that McCain-Palin will just be more of the same. That is somewhat ironic given that Obama is a charismatic, eloquent version of the cookie cutter liberal democrat that we have hundreds of, and Biden is, of course, off the same mold -- a la Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, the late Tip O'Neil etc...
Conversely, McCain has been called a "Maverick" for a reason. He has a long established history and record to run on, of crossing party lines. Palin, on the other hand, has very little experience -- eerily similar to Obama's, if truth be told -- but in a relatively short time, she has proven herself to not be one who goes along with the status quo. She has been very aggressive on attacking corruption in politics, and yes, even coming from her own side of the aisle. In all honesty, if there is a ticket that can more accurately run on "change," then that would be McCain-Palin.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Sept 5, 2008 15:50:04 GMT -5
A little off topic I guess, but I saw that today's Gallup Poll daily tracking report shows 48% Obama / 44% McCain. If I remember correctly, looks like last night picked up 3% points (which may be within the margin of error). These polls are 3-day averages and the Gallup and Rasmussen included only one day post Palin's address and none post-McCain's address. The prior day's poll had Obama up by 6 or 7. We will have to wait another 3 days to determine the real impact of the Republican convention. Thanks for the clarification. Didn't realize it was a three-day average, so like you said, we shall see. |
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 16:03:50 GMT -5
I think that tomorrow's number will be very interesting as it will include one day prior to Palin's speech and then one day after only her speech and finally one day following McCain's. Any bump should come soon. Even though the Sunday number might be higher because of dropping off the day prior to Palin's speech, I think that the Saturday number might actually be more accurate. I think that some of the bump will drop off, so if I am right then tomorrow's number might be the closest to the number we will have down the road after all "bumps" have run their course.
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Post by Bando on Sept 5, 2008 16:11:09 GMT -5
These polls are 3-day averages and the Gallup and Rasmussen included only one day post Palin's address and none post-McCain's address. The prior day's poll had Obama up by 6 or 7. We will have to wait another 3 days to determine the real impact of the Republican convention. Thanks for the clarification. Didn't realize it was a three-day average, so like you said, we shall see. The 90% number is actually a direct quote from McCain. |
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 16:25:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. Didn't realize it was a three-day average, so like you said, we shall see. The 90% number is actually a direct quote from McCain. I think you quoted the wrong person. He was talking about the McCain-Obama numbers and the poll represents a 3 day average, not just a one day poll. As for the "90%" number, I thought we were talking about the quote that McCain voted on Bush's "side" 90% of the time. If that is the discussion, then Obama voted on the democratic party line side 95%. |
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