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Post by Bando on Aug 29, 2008 10:44:16 GMT -5
Here's some executive experience for you: Obama just ran the most successful underdog campaign in the modern era, toppling the annointed candidate of his party. He did so by running a smarter more disciplined campaign than Hillary. Both in tactics and strategy his campaign was surperior. He also enforced tight discipline, virtually eliminating any unauthorized leaks. I think that accomplishment required more executive skill than anything Palin (or virtually any other governor) has undertaken. Running a campaign is not the same as leading. And running a campaign that lost 9 of the last 14 states really isn't good experience. And Hillary ran an abysmal campaign. I find it interesting how quick defenders of Obama need to move to a campaign to claim "executive experience". At least they aren't using how he ran his class as a law professor. EDIT - Oh, and expect Biden to make at least one ill-advised crack about Palin. I'm sorry, where is Senator John McCain's executive experience? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 10:44:24 GMT -5
Does this save Ted Stevens' job? If I were a disaffected Republican voter in AK, I might have sat out election day, leaving Stevens out to dry. Now, I'd get my butt to the polls to send my governor to Observatory Circle, and probably tick off Stevens' name in the process...seems to help the winner of the Young-Parnell primary as well.
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Post by atlasfrysmith on Aug 29, 2008 10:44:36 GMT -5
Another angle, by no means the most important one:
I don't think anyone consciously chooses their candidate based on the first lady, but there is a need, media generated or otherwise, for a female element in the narrative. Palin means that element is in the VP race instead of an artificial contest between wives. I've gotta think that helps McCain; Michelle beats Cindy any day.
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Post by Bando on Aug 29, 2008 10:45:58 GMT -5
Does this save Ted Stevens' job? If I were a disaffected Republican voter in AK, I might have sat out election day, leaving Stevens out to dry. Now, I'd get my butt to the polls to send my governor to Observatory Circle, and probably tick off Stevens' name in the process...seems to help the winner of the Young-Parnell primary as well. Stevens' opponent, the mayor of Anchorage, was up double digits as of yesterday. I don't know if Palin alone can overcome that, but we'll see. |
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 29, 2008 10:47:47 GMT -5
Bando, Palin's husband works for BP. However, she has a pretty good record standing up to the big oil companies.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 29, 2008 10:48:25 GMT -5
Running a campaign is not the same as leading. And running a campaign that lost 9 of the last 14 states really isn't good experience. And Hillary ran an abysmal campaign. I find it interesting how quick defenders of Obama need to move to a campaign to claim "executive experience". At least they aren't using how he ran his class as a law professor. EDIT - Oh, and expect Biden to make at least one ill-advised crack about Palin. I'm sorry, where is Senator John McCain's executive experience? He has none. Neither Senator Obama nor Senator Biden has any, either. So Palin wins in that category, even if it's by default. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 29, 2008 10:54:53 GMT -5
However, she has a pretty good record standing up to the big oil companies. Really? how do you know that? Can you share with us some examples? |
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Post by Bando on Aug 29, 2008 10:55:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry, where is Senator John McCain's executive experience? He has none. Neither Senator Obama nor Senator Biden has any, either. So Palin wins in that category, even if it's by default. That's a message that will win a election, right there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 10:56:41 GMT -5
He has none. Neither Senator Obama nor Senator Biden has any, either. So Palin wins in that category, even if it's by default. That's a message that will win a election, right there. The two greatest words in the English language! De! Fault! De! Fault! De! Fault! |
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 29, 2008 10:58:38 GMT -5
However, she has a pretty good record standing up to the big oil companies. Really? how do you know that? Can you share with us some examples? Her natural gas pipeline legislation was constructed so that none of the oil companies even put in a bid to build the pipeline. |
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Post by Bando on Aug 29, 2008 11:06:11 GMT -5
Another thought on this: The presidential candidates are from Illinois and Arizona, the vice-presidential candidates are from Delaware and Alaska. The south got burned, huh?
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Post by HealyHoya on Aug 29, 2008 11:11:04 GMT -5
Another thought on this: The presidential candidates are from Illinois and Arizona, the vice-presidential candidates are from Delaware and Alaska. The south got burned, huh? An interesting point. From the GOP perspective, one could argue that although the South isn't represented geographically, McCain and Palin speak directly to the christian conservatives that have dominated Southern politics recently. Biden brings nothing for the South. Obviously, Obama speaks to a significant demographic in the South. The interesting thing from a strategic standpoint is to see whether Palin now provides McCain the conservative cover on the ticket he needs to tack back to the middle and begin to appease the moderates that have for so long punched his ticket. I would look for Palin to spend considerable time in the South and certain areas of the Mountain West while McCain again focuses on the moderates. |
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Post by TC on Aug 29, 2008 11:11:33 GMT -5
1. Palin will energize conservatives and her conservative principles are very solid. At the same time, she will attract women. And yes, she WILL attract women voters, even if you think it's stupid that she does so just because she is a woman. I think they may have miscalculated. She is too pretty to be taken seriously by Hillary's pantsuit crowd. Almost every liberal on this board thinks she isn't. That's ALWAYS a good sign!  Given the names they were throwing around, I don't think she's a bad choice. Certainly more palatable than a failed, crooked dot-com executive (Carly Fiorina), anyone from Texas (Huchison), a Mormon who hates McCain (Romney). That leaves Palin and Pawlenty, neither of whom anyone knows anything about. |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 29, 2008 11:12:12 GMT -5
The best thing about this pick is that it is self insulating from the media. We all know that the majority of the mainstream media is generally liberal, but all-the-moreso in a Presidential election year. They would have attacked whomever McCain had chosen. Palin gives them a difficult target though. If they try to attack her most obvious weakness, it would be that she is inexperienced. But that is a dangerous tactic, since the top candidate on their side is even less experienced. If they try to attack McCain as making a "political" pick, by choosing a woman, then they will further alienate the large block of women votes that they desparately need. They are just begging to win some of the Hillary followers back, so that tactic will almost certainly backfire. And if they try to attack her on character, I think they will only light a firestorm under the vocal women and that will certainly backfire. The more I think about it, the more I like the pick.
And it won't be long before someone brings up the angle that because of McCain's age, he may very well only be a one-term President. If so, then that would put Palin in great shape to potentially be the next President. That could be an added bonus among women voters.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 29, 2008 11:14:37 GMT -5
Another thought on this: The presidential candidates are from Illinois and Arizona, the vice-presidential candidates are from Delaware and Alaska. The south got burned, huh? An interesting point. From the GOP perspective, one could argue that although the South isn't represented geographically, McCain and Palin speak directly to the christian conservatives that have dominated Southern politics recently. Biden brings nothing for the South. Obviously, Obama speaks to a significant demographic in the South. The interesting thing from a strategic standpoint is to see whether Palin now provides McCain the conservative cover on the ticket he needs to tack back to the middle and begin to appease the moderates that have for so long punched his ticket. I would look for Palin to spend considerable time in the South and certain areas of the Mountain West while McCain again focuses on the moderates. As a general rule, if Michelle Malkin likes your pick, you're fine with conservatives. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 11:20:39 GMT -5
Does this save Ted Stevens' job? If I were a disaffected Republican voter in AK, I might have sat out election day, leaving Stevens out to dry. Now, I'd get my butt to the polls to send my governor to Observatory Circle, and probably tick off Stevens' name in the process...seems to help the winner of the Young-Parnell primary as well. Stevens' opponent, the mayor of Anchorage, was up double digits as of yesterday. I don't know if Palin alone can overcome that, but we'll see. You're right - Stevens may have too much of a gap to overcome, but this'll help him. On the House side: if Parnell pulls out the Republican primary against Young, he'll probably cruise to victory in the general. The Dem candidate (Ethan Berkowitz) is polling better vs. Young than vs. Parnell. If he faces Young, he's still got a chance. If he faces Parnell, he's probably cooked. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 29, 2008 11:24:51 GMT -5
Of course, there is the possibility that I am just giddy that there's some exciting Republican news after a week of listening to the other side non-stop, and that Palin will fall flat on the trail and in her debate.
You never know. But as a McCain supporter, today is a good day, IMO.
EDIT: I don't want Ted Stevens re-elected. Even if it means, which it does, another Dem seat in the Senate. I hope other conservatives are with me on that. (and I don't think Palin will be doing any campaigning for/with him).
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Post by The Stig on Aug 29, 2008 11:26:42 GMT -5
This could be an inspired choice for the campaign, if not for the office itself. Palin has the potential to be a Pauline Hanson type figure - the kind that drives intellectuals and the media into fits of rage, but has huge appeal among conservatives.
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Post by Bando on Aug 29, 2008 11:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Aug 29, 2008 11:32:51 GMT -5
Hey Todd Palin: Shave, buddy!
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