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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 12:28:39 GMT -5
Why does everyone talk about "no title game in Pac 10" when their league agreed to play every team once the NCAA went to a 12 game schedule. So they play it out on the field--everyone plays each other. I wasn't knocking the Pac 10 in that regard at all. In fact the Big 10 was the same way, until they added an 11th team. Personally, if you are going to do it the way the Big 10 does, then I don't see the point in not going ahead and finishing the deal and play all 10 other teams. That would still leave 2 extra games for the likes of Penn St.-Pitt, Indiana-Kentucky and the SAT Bowl -- Northwestern-Duke.
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Post by RDF on Sept 5, 2008 11:05:14 GMT -5
I said last year, before this year and it's been confirmed after watching 2 games this year--Spurrier is beyond overrated, he's done. Guy has never liked recruiting or been good at it--and he's just coasting down there. He can't get any good QB to play for him--(understandably) and he should just go away because the job he's doing is an embarrassment.
All that bluster isn't going to get attention when you SUCK!
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 11:21:24 GMT -5
Maybe Vandy isn't as bad as expected. Or maybe South Carolina just can't play well away from Columbia. Or maybe NC State is just really that bad. I think that's the ticket.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 5, 2008 12:02:00 GMT -5
the most likely scenario is that nc state stinks, south carolina is avg, vandy is avg
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 13:46:21 GMT -5
Since we play Miami tomorrow, there is a long article in today's paper on Miami, specifically detailing its joining the ACC:
Miami's move to the Atlantic Coast Conference was designed to generate more revenue for its non-revenue sports and increase an already high national profile.
But it hasn't translated to success on the football field. Since joining the ACC in 2004, the Hurricanes are 30-19 overall and a pedestrian 16-16 in the league.
When Miami moved from the Big East, it was expected that the Hurricanes and state-rival Florida State would contend for the league title every year. But Miami has yet to even appear in an ACC title game.
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Coker (former Miami football head coach Larry Coker) acknowledged there was a slight adjustment when Miami began playing in the ACC. In their first ever ACC game, the Hurricanes won easliy at Georgia Tech 27-3. But Miami went on to suffer a stunning 31-28 road loss at North Carolina, followed by a 24-17 homecoming loss in overtime to Clemson.
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Miami's records in the ACC have gotten progressively worse, going 3-5 in 2006 and 2-6 last season. Meanwhile, schools such as Wake Forest have taken advantage of the exposure that Miami joining the league provided in recruiting. The Demon Deacons, ranked No. 20 nationally in both polls, currently have 20 players from the state of Florida on their roster.
I vaguely remember saying something about how Miami was going to suffer in joining the ACC. I said it would hurt both football and baseball, although it would probably help in basketball. I also vaguely remember RDF telling me I didn't know what I was talking about. Of course, that would be the same RDF that said my Gators would lose at least 5 games 2 years ago. Of course, we lost all of 1 game -- and that on a very questionable call -- on the way to the National Title.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 5, 2008 18:17:55 GMT -5
So, I know I say it every year, but is this the season Vandy goes to its first bowl game since 1982? There are a couple games left on the schedule in which the Commodores will be favored (Rice, Duke), but it's no cakewalk. VU's remaining schedule is as follows:
Rice @ Ole Miss Auburn @ Mississippi State @ UGA Duke Florida @ Kentucky Tennessee @ Wake Forest
Pretty brutal -- the smart money's on Vandy falling one win short of bowl eligibility, same as '05 and '07.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 5, 2008 19:19:14 GMT -5
The popular opinion around here is that Vandy should find a way to win two out of Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky and Wake, but that might be unjustified optimism after the win over South Carolina. For now though, the Commodores are first in the SEC!
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Post by RDF on Sept 6, 2008 2:42:52 GMT -5
Typical Gator redneck trash.
As for Miami's athletic program being hurt--they went to College World Series, their basketball team made the NCAA, and Grandpa Clappy was the reason the FB team was hurt--Randy Shannon has got players/recruiting improved.
You weren't even on this site back when that move was made and you call me out.
I still don't think that Florida team was best in country--but no debating it--they won once they got there. However--they weren't that far from losing 5 games that year--as they squeaked by weekly--which is a credit to them-but don't act like that team cruised to a championship. Whether it was South Carolina, Alabama, FSU, or Tennessee--that team had some squeakers.
Nice try A-hole--but you have to remember, I'm a Miami FB fan--not a Miami fan for all sports--so I'd really like to know when this conversation took place. You were not even a member here when Miami joined the ACC--so how did this conversation take place? If you are going to quote Grandpa Clappy--then you are a bigger idiot then he is.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 6, 2008 12:03:16 GMT -5
Typical Gator redneck trash. As for Miami's athletic program being hurt--they went to College World Series, their basketball team made the NCAA, and Grandpa Clappy was the reason the FB team was hurt--Randy Shannon has got players/recruiting improved. You weren't even on this site back when that move was made and you call me out. I still don't think that Florida team was best in country--but no debating it--they won once they got there. However--they weren't that far from losing 5 games that year--as they squeaked by weekly--which is a credit to them-but don't act like that team cruised to a championship. Whether it was South Carolina, Alabama, FSU, or Tennessee--that team had some squeakers. Nice try A-hole--but you have to remember, I'm a Miami FB fan--not a Miami fan for all sports--so I'd really like to know when this conversation took place. You were not even a member here when Miami joined the ACC--so how did this conversation take place? If you are going to quote Grandpa Clappy--then you are a bigger idiot then he is. Typical Gator redneck trash.Are you really going to drop to such a level? Just using that comment puts you in the Tennessee Vol category. I think you can do better than that. As for Miami's athletic program being hurt--they went to College World Series, their basketball team made the NCAA, and Grandpa Clappy was the reason the FB team was hurt--Randy Shannon has got players/recruiting improved. I admitted that basketball is moving in the right direction in my post. I also said as much when this conversation first took place. I did think that being in the ACC would help Miami's hoops program in the long run -- not because the ACC is some panacea of college hoops, but it is much more regionalized and will only help Miami on the recruiting angle. As for baseball, yes they did make the CWS this year, but Miami's team this year was absolutely loaded. The murmors down here are that they still are somewhat disappointed in the season. IMO that is too bad, because it is damn hard just to get to Omaha and considering a season where you get there as anything other than a success is wrong. Either way, as you will doubtlessly remember, I said that in the long run it would take the toll on Miami's program. Having a real conference schedule with competitive teams like FSU, Ga. Tech and UNC won't be the same as playing 45 games within 50 miles of Miami and only venturing out of the state once, as you did several years back. Mypoint then hasn't changed. You had a recipe for success. You were independent in baseball and played something like 80% of your games at home. Your "road" trips were often to the likes of FIU, FAU, FSU, UCF and Florida. Not that there's anything wrong with that, as there are some excellent programs in Florida. Still, all I was saying was that it will take its toll in the long run. Prior to joining the ACC, you had a virtual cakewalk to a regional host and at least a 50/50 shot of hosting a super-regional. All I am saying is that is no longer the case -- last year's team withstanding. As for football, I do think that Shannon has you moving in the right direction, but don't think that your run through the 80's and early 90's is right around the corner. You weren't even on this site back when that move was made and you call me out. We discussed it some 3 years ago and my opinion hasn't changed. As for "calling you out" ... come on, grow a pair. Today is Gameday for Florida-Miami. If you think I somehow "dissed" you unfairly, then you are far more thin-skinned than I ever knew. I still don't think that Florida team was best in country--but no debating it--they won once they got there. However--they weren't that far from losing 5 games that year--as they squeaked by weekly--which is a credit to them-but don't act like that team cruised to a championship. Whether it was South Carolina, Alabama, FSU, or Tennessee--that team had some squeakers. There's no doubt that we won some close games. But that is almost always the case. If you look at the teams that finished on top, there were almost always 2 or 3 bounces that went their way. Whether it was a tipped ball, or a blocked kick, or tremendously fortunate with regards to injuries, almost every team that raises that crystal trophy must acknowledge that same point. Remember Clint Stoerner literally handing the ball to Tennessee in the SEC championship game, when taking a knee would have ended the game? Heck, oftentimes it isn't even something on the field. FSU got their first title by being voted ahead of Notre Dame, even though the Irish had beaten them head-to-head just 2 or 3 weeks earlier and had the same record. Auburn arguably got screwed going undefeated but finishing second and your very own Hurricanes had arguably the best team in 2000 but ended up playing Florida in the Sugar Bowl instead of playing for the Natty Tite. There's no denying that we were somewhat fortunate in '06-'07, but that's nothing to be ashamed of. As for our team, yes we were the best. We played the toughest schedule in the Nation as determined at the end of the year, when it really matters. We lost one game on the road to a quality opponent in Auburn, and because of a very questionable call that many analysts are on record as calling a "bad" call. Nice try A-hole--but you have to remember, I'm a Miami FB fan--not a Miami fan for all sports--so I'd really like to know when this conversation took place. You were not even a member here when Miami joined the ACC--so how did this conversation take place? If you are going to quote Grandpa Clappy--then you are a bigger idiot then he is. Name calling is unnecessary. As for you being a Cane football only fan, that tends to run with the town, and you aren't even anywhere near the town. Miami is literally full of front-running fair-weather fans. If they lose a few games, then it's no big deal. They will just put on a Tom Brady jersey or a Peyton Manning Jersey. Marlins attendence will go from averaging 40,000 to averaging 11,000 in ONE FRIGGIN YEAR! Granted, the team brought much of that on themselves, but that isn't the point. As for the conversation taking place, I'm surprised you don't remember it. Could it be the onset of Alzheimers? In any case, it wasn't right when you made the move, it was a year or two later. My point was that it was going to hurt baseball overall and prevent football from regaining the ridiculous dominance that you legitimately had for a while. In fairness, other factors are likely to prevent such a run for any team. Either way, as I said before, my point hasn't changed. Whether yours is or not is undetermined since you don't even remember your point. Next time try taking notes. As for now, Go Gators! And prepare yourself for the mudhole we will stomp in you.
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Post by RDF on Sept 6, 2008 16:33:40 GMT -5
How am I a front runner--when I support Miami football now? Wouldn't that be the exact opposite?
You started this CRAP and bring UF nonsense to this site. I have no illusions of Miami winning this game--if they did it would be a miracle--so I'm prepared for any type of loss--but don't think the program is in place to beat a good team like Florida--yet. I do want to see the young players/progress--if there is any being made.
Gator fans can't talk mess yet though--when is the last time they beat UM--oh that's right 1985--so can see why you talk trash now with things stacked in your favor. Just need to back it up and then you can crow.
I've not changed my allegiances at all--and will continue to support the teams I like.
I don't remember something you said--well let me guess--it went something like this:
FLORIDA........FLORIDA.....Colin Cowherd said.......I won this betting pool, I was right about this.......etc.......FLORIDA.....Gators are best......I won the lottery......I.......
You know it all Hifi--and I only wish you mastered the art of suicide as well as you master everything else in life.
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Post by Boz on Sept 6, 2008 17:13:25 GMT -5
Now, now children. You stop that or I am going to turn this car around.
;D
I would just like to join this discussion to ask if there is a petition somewhere that I can sign NOT to have the Michigan-Notre Dame game televised next week.
Yeesh!
Michigan's future looks a lot more promising than ND's (granted I am looking with very biased eyes), but in the actual present? That is going to be one UGLY game.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 6, 2008 18:10:06 GMT -5
Jake Locker should have been allowed to dangle his nutsack in front of the BYU team's faces without getting flagged for excessive celebration on that drive. Nice going, stripes.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 6, 2008 19:31:07 GMT -5
That was an awful call. Locker flipped the ball behind his head. Ridiculous. I was getting ready to watch an exciting overtime game and then that!
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 6, 2008 21:28:14 GMT -5
Hifi, SEC refs jobbed Miami on that out of bounds call. I don't know how that's conclusive on whether he landed in bounds and on whether or not he caught the ball.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 6, 2008 22:10:55 GMT -5
I thought he landed in bounds but he didn't catch that ball.
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Post by RDF on Sept 6, 2008 22:31:35 GMT -5
Doesn't matter--Miami wasn't going to win that game--they aren't good enough--yet. I thought they won the battle upfront on defense--but just wore out at end and UF made more plays. I don't know if I'd consider that "stomping"--especially considering where UF's program is/where Miami is--but it was a good win for Florida. Miami will get more out of it though--playing tough for 3 quarters on the road--and against the "mighty" SEC--how does life get harder? Anyone have any question as to why I mentioned Tebow in same regard as Hansbrough now? I saw worse call in the Miami-Ohio-Michigan game--where for some odd reason a QB throwing a forward pass to a RB behind the line of scrimmage was considered an illegal forward pass? It was a terrible call--and Big 10 reviewed it--and still screwed things up. As for the Locker call-welcome to Pac 10 officiating--it's beyond strange--but part of the charm of the league. (see Oregon-Oklahoma game) Oklahoma taking a cheapshot to take out Cincinnati QB was key to their game. Same Brent Venables defense to me--that guy is a CLOWN when it comes to stopping good teams--(not great-just good) especially in out of conference games. OU travels to Washington this upcoming weekend--and it should be an interesting game--where Locker gives OU some problems. Notre Dame should be embarrassed--that was a disgusting performance against an AWFUL team. San Diego State was a fumble away from being up 2 scores with 10 minutes to play--and just gave the game away--but ND acted as if they beat the San Diego Chargers. Disgusting. Penn State took Oregon State to woodshed. Ole Miss-WF was great game. Just another fun weekend--but some bad officiating ruining some games.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 8, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5
You know it all Hifi--and I only wish you mastered the art of suicide as well as you master everything else in life. nicely done
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Post by hifigator on Sept 8, 2008 12:26:00 GMT -5
RDF, I'm gald you think I know it all, because I certainly don't.
I will ignore your rubbish about winning the lottery or the betting pool. Actually, no I won't. If you had been paying attention, I didn't win the bowl pool because Arkansas lost to Wisconsin. The only reason that discussion came up was because you brought up the subject of how bad Arkansas was because they got manhandled by USC early in the year. I'm not going to dig that subject up again.
From the weekend:
I was very impressed with Miami. I'm not being patronizing, I really was impressed with their talent level. I was somewhat surprised how that game unfolded. Taking nothing away from Miami, I was still surprised that Florida didn't stretch the field much at all. I think it was just planned that way to avoid sacks and turnovers. Still, with the playmakers we have, it is somewhat of a waste to not try the deep ball at least occasionally. Of course Miami likes to hang back in that loose cover 2 and that does make the deep ball much more risky.
As for the field goal at the end, I think that Meyer wanted to give Phillips a real game experience kick. That was his first live game field goal in college. I don't think he was trying to "show up" Miami in some way, nor do I think he was even thinking about the time Schnellenberger called time out to kick a last second fieldgoal, up by more than 3 tds.
Washington got totally hosed by that call, but as the explanation came out, it sounds like the problem is the way the rule is written, not the way it was interpreted.
Lastly, just because RDF "asked" for it, had Memphis beaten Rice then my buddy Gator Dave would have won the pool, and since we always split our two entries, then I would have been in the money. Oh well, that was certainly a "game changing moment," as nominated by ESPN.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 8, 2008 12:52:08 GMT -5
As an impartial arbiter, I'll add a couple things to the RDF-hifi contratemps.
Hifi, RDF brought up pools only because you bring them up on a regular basis. Any birdbrain (or perhaps I should say gatorbrain, since gators are reputed to be legendarily stupid) would have realized that.
OTOH, with respect to Florida's national championship team, I think that all that needs to be said is scoreboard. RDF did predict that team would lose 5 games, but also more than once owned up to his being wrong on that. Florida may not have been the best team that year (USC was - thanks Bruins ;D), but they deserved the championship, close games or no close games. Scoreboard.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 8, 2008 13:20:09 GMT -5
As an impartial arbiter, I'll add a couple things to the RDF-hifi contratemps. Hifi, RDF brought up pools only because you bring them up on a regular basis. Any birdbrain (or perhaps I should say gatorbrain, since gators are reputed to be legendarily stupid) would have realized that. OTOH, with respect to Florida's national championship team, I think that all that needs to be said is scoreboard. RDF did predict that team would lose 5 games, but also more than once owned up to his being wrong on that. Florida may not have been the best team that year (USC was - thanks Bruins ;D), but they deserved the championship, close games or no close games. Scoreboard. We don't need to beat this dead horse anymore. My only point was that RDF sounded to me like I was bragging about this or that or the other -- winning the pool, hitting the lottery etc... That was all I was clarifying. Several times I have listed the games that are in our pool on any given week, and gotten input from some of you all, but the only time that I remember talking about "winning" the pool -- and in actuality, about almost winning, but NOT winning was the Bowl pool for the '06-'07 season. In any case, it's no big deal, just a point of clarification.
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