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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 12:39:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to single out "ocho cinco." I am sick and tired of idiotic prima donas who think they have to have some kind of cute nickname. Whether it is going by on initials -- T.O. and L.T. for example -- or the initial-shortened last name -- T. Mac, J-Lo etc.. -- or just outright nicknames -- Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Diddy or whaterer the fu** he wants to be called this week ... and now spanish numbers -- Ocho Cinco ... it just stinks. It is part of everything that is wrong. "Look at ME!" That is just a bunch of BS from spoiled brats who weren't spanked enough as children.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 4, 2008 12:42:44 GMT -5
I'm not going to single out "ocho cinco." I am sick and tired of idiotic prima donas who think they have to have some kind of cute nickname. Whether it is going by on initials -- T.O. and L.T. for example -- or the initial-shortened last name -- T. Mac, J-Lo etc.. -- or just outright nicknames -- Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Diddy or whaterer the fu** he wants to be called this week ... and now spanish numbers -- Ocho Cinco ... it just stinks. It is part of everything that is wrong. "Look at ME!" That is just a bunch of BS from spoiled brats who weren't spanked enough as children. You do realize that most of the people you listed, with the exception of Johnson and Sean Combs, didn't select their own knicknames and have never asked to be called by them. No one in their right mind would call LaDainian Tomlinson a spoiled brat. It's just a long name so people shortened it. Even Owens, I'm pretty sure, never requested the knickname, though he is a media whore.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 12:47:56 GMT -5
Incidentally, I don't have anything againtst "L.T." ... in fact from everything I have heard, he is a good person who gives a lot back and I haven't seen much "me first" attitude from him. That was a bad example, but I was just illustrating the infatuation with initials that has become all-too-common.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 12:50:47 GMT -5
Yeah SF, that wasn't the best of examples, but I think you see my point. It goes hand in hand with all the celebration crap, whether it was celebrating on the star at Texas stadium or whether it was delivering mouth-to-mouth to the football, or rocking it like a baby, or having a sharpie hidden in the goalpost or any of those stupid sack dances that some guys do after a sack. Even the head shaking that often follows a good play takes it too far in my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 12:52:04 GMT -5
Calling Tomlinson - who's pitiful display of sportsmanship and what it means to be part of a team last year in Foxboro - "L.T." is an insult to #56.
That's all.
EDIT: Oh, and touchdown celebrations are awesome. I don't care if it calls attention to the players doing them, the NFL could use a lot more "fun." This is, after all, SHOW BUSINESS. Whether or not you want to admit it, sports are entertainment - like t.v. shows, movies, the theatre - and nothing more.
While I, too, don't care for prima donna attitudes off the field or even when they manifest on it by showing up teammates, fighting with coaches, etc... let's not lump all of that in with endzone celebrations, which are - LIKE THE GAME ITSELF - meant to entertain.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 14:46:28 GMT -5
I see your point buff, I just disagree. There's an old adage, "act like you've been there before."
I think there is a fine line between legitimate enthusiasm and excessive celebration. I would like to see the penalty done away with altogether, since it is enforced almost arbitrarily. I think in the NFL they don't have it anymore, but they have "taunting" and "unsportsmanlike conduct" which get invoked in some but not all situations. But since it isn't uniformly enforced, I would like to see them do away with it. One possible solution would be to have a very short -- maybe 25 second -- play clock after a touchdown is signaled. Then if there is a delay of game in that situation, make it a 15 yard delay of game. Making an extra point from 35 yards would be enough of a deterrant that the teams would police the matter themselves and it would take care of itself. Just my two cents ....
I do see your point about entertainment though, I just never really thought about it that way. I think the player sits around thinking up new neat ways to celebrate and have their own personal sports center highlight.
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Post by Boz on Sept 4, 2008 14:59:23 GMT -5
Calling Tomlinson - who's pitiful display of sportsmanship and what it means to be part of a team last year in Foxboro - "L.T." is an insult to #56. That's all. EDIT: Oh, and touchdown celebrations are awesome. I don't care if it calls attention to the players doing them, the NFL could use a lot more "fun." This is, after all, SHOW BUSINESS. Whether or not you want to admit it, sports are entertainment - like t.v. shows, movies, the theatre - and nothing more. While I, too, don't care for prima donna attitudes off the field or even when they manifest on it by showing up teammates, fighting with coaches, etc... let's not lump all of that in with endzone celebrations, which are - LIKE THE GAME ITSELF - meant to entertain. Touchdown celebrations ARE awesome. I think the difference is that the likes of Chad Johnson are less celebrating the touchdown or the game than they are celebrating themselves. As much as I hate the Redskins, the Fun Bunch was great, it was a team celebration. And the Lambeau Leap is great, it's a celebration with the fans. And any of the celebrations from 'Any Given Sunday' (hell, even from 'The Replacements.') Even some of TO's earlier stuff was pretty good. It's a fine line, and I don't always feel comfortable drawing it, but much like the famous definition of pornography, when it comes to the question of whether the player is celebrating the game or glorifying themselves, I kind of go with "I know it when I see it." Having said all of that, the NFL shouldn't outlaw them. The other team should just make that player pay (or - a novel idea - prevent a celebration in the first place by preventing them from scoring).
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 4, 2008 15:08:04 GMT -5
Calling Tomlinson - who's pitiful display of sportsmanship and what it means to be part of a team last year in Foxboro - "L.T." is an insult to #56. That's all. EDIT: Oh, and touchdown celebrations are awesome. I don't care if it calls attention to the players doing them, the NFL could use a lot more "fun." This is, after all, SHOW BUSINESS. Whether or not you want to admit it, sports are entertainment - like t.v. shows, movies, the theatre - and nothing more. While I, too, don't care for prima donna attitudes off the field or even when they manifest on it by showing up teammates, fighting with coaches, etc... let's not lump all of that in with endzone celebrations, which are - LIKE THE GAME ITSELF - meant to entertain. Touchdown celebrations ARE awesome. I think the difference is that the likes of Chad Johnson are less celebrating the touchdown or the game than they are celebrating themselves. As much as I hate the Redskins, the Fun Bunch was great, it was a team celebration. And the Lambeau Leap is great, it's a celebration with the fans. And any of the celebrations from 'Any Given Sunday' (hell, even from 'The Replacements.') Even some of TO's earlier stuff was pretty good. It's a fine line, and I don't always feel comfortable drawing it, but much like the famous definition of pornography, when it comes to the question of whether the player is celebrating the game or glorifying themselves, I kind of go with "I know it when I see it." Having said all of that, the NFL shouldn't outlaw them. The other team should just make that player pay (or - a novel idea - prevent a celebration in the first place by preventing them from scoring). I miss the team celebrations--yet another reason to hate Dennis Green. He was the one that got the rule changed to include a penalty after he watched the Rams do the Bob 'N Weave 8,000 times during the 1999 playoffs.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Sept 4, 2008 15:59:51 GMT -5
I'm not going to single out "ocho cinco." I am sick and tired of idiotic prima donas who think they have to have some kind of cute nickname. Whether it is going by on initials -- T.O. and L.T. for example -- or the initial-shortened last name -- T. Mac, J-Lo etc.. -- or just outright nicknames -- Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Diddy or whaterer the fu** he wants to be called this week ... and now spanish numbers -- Ocho Cinco ... it just stinks. It is part of everything that is wrong. "Look at ME!" That is just a bunch of BS from spoiled brats who weren't spanked enough as children. What about your boy, Jason Williams' nicknames, which include J-Dub, White Chocolate, and apparently "The Pistol Pete of Hip-Hop" per Shaq?
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Post by RDF on Sept 4, 2008 23:16:43 GMT -5
Will someone tell Zorn this isn't the preseason, what the hell was that? No urgency/tempo and running ball with 5 minutes and down two scores? AWFUL. Really a boring game after an impressive opening quarter for Giants--and then it was bad play-calling (why didn't Giants run more? They were getting about 7 a pop) and just boring/awful football from Redskins.
Skins have midget WR's in an offense that it helps to have bigger guys--which they drafted--but Kelly was hurt due to inept/lack of care from OU Training Staff and Devin Thomas is someone I don't know much about--had good year last year--but is he really that good?
Always enjoy NFC East games--but tonight was pretty dull after opening quarter.
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Post by FewFAC on Sept 5, 2008 0:09:13 GMT -5
Luckily after the opening quarter I was able to watch Roddick almost pull one out after digging himself a deep hole. Really, the only part of the Giants-Skins game I got to watch was the first drive, which reminded me why Eli got Super Bowl MVP. Other than that, I had the Skins written off early, but didn't want to jinx my pick, especially after a friend drafting Santana Moss tried to justify picking him (I think I went Vince Jackson instead of picking S. Moss).
Other than that, the Giants D looked pretty good, even though it was against the Skins O. I feel kind of bad for Campbell, but then I remembered he's SEC. The Skins should just give Portis the ball every down in a three draws and punt offense, but he got popped hard a few times, and I never like to see Portis take himself out of the game. Still didn't think the Giants D would look that good, and there still ought to be a law against the "prevent offense," which is one of the things I really dislike about the Giants.
Also, just wanted to mention that I am strongly pro-end zone celebrations, and the lack of end zone celebrations has led to me watching more WWE. (I especially liked that end zone celebration by Georgia.) I hope they include that snippet in Denny Green's obit, so we can all remember.
Man, there are Hurricanes everywhere.
Maybe I'll throw out some weekend picks tomorrow.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Sept 5, 2008 12:15:31 GMT -5
As a skins fan, I already feel comfortable saying this team has no hope. I usually hold out for a few weeks but this ownership, management, and coaching staff cannot get it done.
And how horrible were the defensive backs last night? Giants could have thrown underneath coverage all night, and when we did get a good look at an INT we blew all but one. I counted at least three other "routine" INTs for any capable DB. I used to love Smoot, too. Springs will help, but how effective can an old/injured/distracted player be?
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Post by hifigator on Sept 5, 2008 14:04:42 GMT -5
I pretty much agree on the game. A real good friend of mine is a huge Giants fan, so he had been planning on having a few friends over for quite a while. He was happy to get the "W,' and pointed out a half dozed times that it was also a division win, but for the rest of us, the game was somewhat of a snoozer. When the Redskins had the long kickoff return and then scored a TD just before halftime, I thought maybe the game had a shot to get really interesting, but it never did.
On a related note, I don't understand why the Giants aren't getting more publicity. They are the defending champions and are for the most part a very young team. Yet everyone keeps talking about the Cowboys, Patriots, Colts, Chargers and maybe even the Jaguars. Personally I think the Giants should be on any short list right now.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 7, 2008 18:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Sept 7, 2008 18:46:36 GMT -5
OK, so I know this is completely tasteless and not respectful of the departed...
...but am I the only one who got a kick out of seeing "GU" on every field and uniform today?
Yeah, I know. I'm a jerk. But an honest jerk.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 7, 2008 18:53:21 GMT -5
I don't know much if anything about Pro football but my brother was watching the end of the games on fox and I saw the GU everywhere and I was quite confused. I knew it wasn't for us but it was still cool for me. I assumed some one died but I have no clue who it was, so seeing GU on all the jerseys was cool.
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Post by vcjack on Sept 7, 2008 18:56:13 GMT -5
It confused me at first but then I remembered about Upshaw.
Hmm, the AFC looks suddenly kinda weak after Brady's apparent season ending injury and SD losing to the Steve Smith-less Panthers
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 7, 2008 19:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by vcjack on Sept 7, 2008 19:33:57 GMT -5
Eww. Why are the Bears wearing white shirts and white pants? Well at least its as gross as the offense is
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Post by vcjack on Sept 7, 2008 22:24:42 GMT -5
Well how about that? So the Colts lose to a very mediocre* Chicago in the Lucas Oil opener? Yeah the AFC just might be down.
And I'll agree with Madden on this instance, great job by Lovie and the staff for preparing for this game, a year and a half too late unfortunately
*Yes I know they looked pretty good but I'm not entirely convinced that they didn't suddenly replace the OL and created this robot and named him Matt Forte
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