Why shouldn't she make money off of this?

[thebin]

This makes me want to vomit. If there were any real justice, Crystal Mangum would have spent exactly as much time in jail as her victims would have if convicted.

abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6343080

[Bando]

Well, it's a capitalist economy, and it's perfectly legal to write a book. Seriously, her reputation is in tatters, why the desire to keep punishing her? It's not like there's a scourge of false rape accusations out there that need deterring. In fact, the problem more likely is unreported rapes.

[thebin]

KEEP punishing her? Are you F'ing kidding me? You want to explain to me why intentionally attempting to ruin the lives of three people and almost getting away with it shouldn't be ACTUALLY punished? In every meaningful way she was the rapist in this farce. The DA was only her accomplice after the fact. Is this "reputation in tatters" crap enough so that nobody should actually go to jail so long as they are sufficiently embarassed?

You are not going to tell me you think she accidentally made this up, that there was no intention here? That she was so drunk/stoned she didn't really remember if she was gang raped or it was just another gig? And why is it by the way that the excuse of being too drunk to be responsible for your actions only seems to apply to the weaker sex in our otherwise fiercly gender-blind society when it comes to rape? Are you aware friends of hers are on record after the made up incident as reporting that Mangum told them she was going to "get some money out of those Duke boys?" The entire thing was engineered for a civil action windfall and anyone who doesn't KNOW that isn't paying the slightest bit of attention.

That vile woman should absolutely spend real amounts of time in jail. I hope you'd be so magnaimous if a woman totally made up a story that came DAMN near ruining your entire life but only managed to ruin the best years of your life.

[Bando]

Wow, I don't know if I can speak anymore given that you've stuffed so many words in my mouth. I don't think in my short post I condoned her actions or those of Nifong, or that her tattered reputation isn't well deserved, so back off. The truth is you don't know squat other than what you've read in the paper, anyway, so you might want to back off your moral preening for a second.

In every meaningful way she was the rapist in this farce.

Um, no. Stop trying to define rape down. This is just stupid.

[thebin]

Would you rather be physically raped on one ocasion or sent to jail for 30 years? Answer honestly. Oh- you'll probably be raped many times in jail by the way. So let's have that decision once you've really thought about it rather than spewed out the response you think you should say. What she tried to get an overly compliant state to do to those boys was worse than rape. Everyone whose brainwashed "rape is the worst thing in the world" alarm just went off...honestly answer that question....would YOU rather be raped once or spend decades in prison for a crime you did not commit? You are a flat out LIAR if you say you'd rather go to jail.

It isn't moral preening, it's heartfelt indignation that there are people stupid enough to think that vile woman has "been punished enough" even though she spent not one day in jail and now has a disgusting book to pedel to credulous idiots.

[fatthew]

First of all, why does this woman have a manager? Second, the press release describes her as "the alleged accuser." I thought it was an established fact that she did accuse the players.

Also, the title of the book is absurd. "Last Dance with Grace." Was Grace the other stripper?

[Bando]

Aug 22, 2008 18:14:43 GMT -5 thebin said:

Would you rather be physically raped on one ocasion or sent to jail for 30 years? Answer honestly. Oh- you'll probably be raped many times in jail by the way. So let's have that decision once you've really thought about it rather than spewed out the response you think you should say. What she tried to get an overly compliant state to do to those boys was worse than rape. Everyone whose brainwashed "rape is the worst thing in the world" alarm just went off...honestly answer that question....would YOU rather be raped once or spend decades in prison for a crime you did not commit? You are a flat out LIAR if you say you'd rather go to jail.

It isn't moral preening, it's heartfelt indignation that there are people stupid enough to think that vile woman has "been punished enough" even though she spent not one day in jail and now has a disgusting book to pedel to credulous idiots.

Holy crap, man. What happened to these guys was terrible. But it's not rape. I really think it's worrisome that you think rape is not such a big deal.

[SirSaxa]

Aug 23, 2008 3:58:05 GMT -5 Bando said:

Aug 22, 2008 18:14:43 GMT -5 thebin said:

Would you rather be physically raped on one ocasion or sent to jail for 30 years? Answer honestly. Oh- you'll probably be raped many times in jail by the way. So let's have that decision once you've really thought about it rather than spewed out the response you think you should say. What she tried to get an overly compliant state to do to those boys was worse than rape. Everyone whose brainwashed "rape is the worst thing in the world" alarm just went off...honestly answer that question....would YOU rather be raped once or spend decades in prison for a crime you did not commit? You are a flat out LIAR if you say you'd rather go to jail.

It isn't moral preening, it's heartfelt indignation that there are people stupid enough to think that vile woman has "been punished enough" even though she spent not one day in jail and now has a disgusting book to pedel to credulous idiots.

Holy crap, man. What happened to these guys was terrible. But it's not rape. I really think it's worrisome that you think rape is not such a big deal.

I don't think Bin is suggesting rape isn't a big deal.
He is simply saying the way the Duke Lax team was treated was beyond unfair. Their reputations were seriously attacked and damaged -- and for quite a long time. Does anyone ever truly recover from that? And it would have been far worse (up to 30 years) if "Crystal" and Nifong had prevailed.

[thebin]

Aug 23, 2008 3:58:05 GMT -5 Bando said:

Aug 22, 2008 18:14:43 GMT -5 thebin said:

Would you rather be physically raped on one ocasion or sent to jail for 30 years? Answer honestly. Oh- you'll probably be raped many times in jail by the way. So let's have that decision once you've really thought about it rather than spewed out the response you think you should say. What she tried to get an overly compliant state to do to those boys was worse than rape. Everyone whose brainwashed "rape is the worst thing in the world" alarm just went off...honestly answer that question....would YOU rather be raped once or spend decades in prison for a crime you did not commit? You are a flat out LIAR if you say you'd rather go to jail.

It isn't moral preening, it's heartfelt indignation that there are people stupid enough to think that vile woman has "been punished enough" even though she spent not one day in jail and now has a disgusting book to pedel to credulous idiots.

Holy crap, man. What happened to these guys was terrible. But it's not rape. I really think it's worrisome that you think rape is not such a big deal.

You can't possibly be dumb enough to actually think I said "rape is not such a big deal" or anything like it. And I noticed you avoided answering the question. Which would you rather happen to you- be raped once, or go to jail for decades where you will probably be raped?

[hifigator]

bin, don't waste your breath. I think it must be that time of the month, because Bando has been a babbling clown all week long. Maybe things will get back to normal when his hormones calm down.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

Rape sucks. So does being falsely accused of rape. But rape is worse.

[GIGAFAN99]

Aug 23, 2008 9:05:47 GMT -5 thebin said:

Aug 23, 2008 3:58:05 GMT -5 Bando said:

Holy crap, man. What happened to these guys was terrible. But it's not rape. I really think it's worrisome that you think rape is not such a big deal.

You can't possibly be dumb enough to actually think I said "rape is not such a big deal" or anything like it. And I noticed you avoided answering the question. Which would you rather happen to you- be raped once, or go to jail for decades where you will probably be raped?

I would rather be falsely accused of rape because the government grants me due process. Rapists do not.

[strummer8526]

Aug 22, 2008 19:11:21 GMT -5 fatthew said:

First of all, why does this woman have a manager? Second, the press release describes her as "the alleged accuser." I thought it was an established fact that she did accuse the players.

Also, the title of the book is absurd. "Last Dance with Grace." Was Grace the other stripper?

Thank you! I thought I saw/heard "alleged accuser," but then decided I must be wrong because that would make no sense at all. She's clearly the accuser. No "alleged" about it.

And the title of the thread asks a question: WHY SHOULDN'T SHE MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS?

The answer is simple: NO ONE SHOULD BUY THE BOOK.

Also, I truly wish that no one was willing to edit her actual writing. I'd love to see what kind of literary masterpiece she'd produce if left to her own devices.

[SFHoya99]

I don't know much about the case, but I think it would be an extremely bad idea to have an incentive for people to make false accusations, in addition to the fact that she shouldn't be rewarded for doing so.

But for those who know the case -- is it clear the kids did nothing wrong, or was the case just dismissed over lack of evidence?

[strummer8526]

Aug 24, 2008 16:47:11 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

I don't know much about the case, but I think it would be an extremely bad idea to have an incentive for people to make false accusations, in addition to the fact that she shouldn't be rewarded for doing so.

But for those who know the case -- is it clear the kids did nothing wrong, or was the case just dismissed over lack of evidence?

I know that with one of them, an ATM record corroborated his story that he wasn't even at the party at the time she claimed he was raping her. But I don't remember why the other two were dismissed.

I just personally can't stand the idea that everyone who has ever been on the 10 o'clock news gets to write a book. Just because you get your 15 minutes of fame does not mean it needs to be recorded on paper and saved in the annals of time. There is quite literally NOTHING that this woman could possibly contribute to the world by telling us about her days as a college student / stripper / liar (potentially). Hers is not a compelling story in any way, shape, or form. At best, it's a cautionary tale for college girls who think they need to degrade themselves to go to school. At worse, it glorifies a very questionable character.

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2008 19:11:21 GMT -5 fatthew said:

First of all, why does this woman have a manager? Second, the press release describes her as "the alleged accuser." I thought it was an established fact that she did accuse the players.

Also, the title of the book is absurd. "Last Dance with Grace." Was Grace the other stripper?

I met a "Beautiful" and a "Krystal" at a bachelor party this weekend.

That is all.

[Bando]

Aug 24, 2008 17:02:33 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

Aug 24, 2008 16:47:11 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

I don't know much about the case, but I think it would be an extremely bad idea to have an incentive for people to make false accusations, in addition to the fact that she shouldn't be rewarded for doing so.

But for those who know the case -- is it clear the kids did nothing wrong, or was the case just dismissed over lack of evidence?

I know that with one of them, an ATM record corroborated his story that he wasn't even at the party at the time she claimed he was raping her. But I don't remember why the other two were dismissed.

I just personally can't stand the idea that everyone who has ever been on the 10 o'clock news gets to write a book. Just because you get your 15 minutes of fame does not mean it needs to be recorded on paper and saved in the annals of time. There is quite literally NOTHING that this woman could possibly contribute to the world by telling us about her days as a college student / stripper / liar (potentially). Hers is not a compelling story in any way, shape, or form. At best, it's a cautionary tale for college girls who think they need to degrade themselves to go to school. At worse, it glorifies a very questionable character.

I think your earliest advice was the best. Don't buy the freaking book. I know I don't plan to.

To me, the biggest lesson of the Duke case was that prosecutor misconduct is more widespread in the country that we had thought, and as one of the defendants said, what happens when other defendants don't have the resources to expose it like they did?

[thebin]

Aug 24, 2008 16:47:11 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

I don't know much about the case, but I think it would be an extremely bad idea to have an incentive for people to make false accusations, in addition to the fact that she shouldn't be rewarded for doing so.

But for those who know the case -- is it clear the kids did nothing wrong, or was the case just dismissed over lack of evidence?

To answer your question SF, yes, it is 100% clear the kids did nothing wrong. The prosecuter set up an outlandishly improper "usual suspects lineup" that included no wrong choices- 100% of those in the line up were on the Duke Lax team. Ms Mangum bless her poor little heart was able to pluck three out who she wanted to frame. Unfortunately for her, one of them had a rock solid alibi and the rest of the farce unravelled quite quickly- including the fact that Ms Mangum was indeed carrying the sperm of many men in her, but none of them on the Duke team nor her boyfriend for that matter. And on her word, the Duke administration and faculty threw their student athletes (and coach) to the wolves of the not-very-curious press. The NY Times ran a daily series pleading that the Dukies were guilty LONG after the case started to stink badly, essentially writing the DA's case into the old Gray Lady. Some of these jerks (feinstein- "they were guilty of everything BUT rape") are still sticking with their story, which is; they were rich white kids at an elite school who looked at a naked black woman for entertainment- lynch them.