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Post by fsohoya on Aug 21, 2008 13:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Aug 21, 2008 13:42:54 GMT -5
can anyone run to a local newsstand and confirm that the list is accurate? Yup, I'm right on it. This should just take a second, so I'd suggest holding your breath, standing on one leg and humming the Alma Mater until I get back. ;D |
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Post by fsohoya on Aug 21, 2008 13:45:25 GMT -5
Thanks Boz!
Hmm, hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmmmmmmmmmmm....
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Post by Jack on Aug 21, 2008 13:48:44 GMT -5
According to someone in that thread:
53.- George Wash
53.- Syracuse
53.- Univ Maryland
That is pretty funny.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 21, 2008 14:16:31 GMT -5
I found the rankings pretty much useless, but the diatribe and chatter from the visitors was quite amusing at spots. Incidentally, I see Notre Dame is overrated academically as well.
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 21, 2008 15:37:30 GMT -5
I found the rankings pretty much useless, but the diatribe and chatter from the visitors was quite amusing at spots. Incidentally, I see Notre Dame is overrated academically as well. What makes you say that? |
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Post by Jack on Aug 21, 2008 15:56:52 GMT -5
I found the rankings pretty much useless, but the diatribe and chatter from the visitors was quite amusing at spots. Incidentally, I see Notre Dame is overrated academically as well. What makes you say that? Indeed, ND and Georgetown are both considerably underrated by USNWR when compared to how HS students view them- they are much more popular and harder to get into than the likes of Emory, Vanderbilt, and Washington University, yet they get dragged down on Academic Reputation, a score based on the assessment of other University Presidents, many of whom seem to have a hard time welcoming the Catholics to the upper echelon. |
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 21, 2008 16:07:10 GMT -5
Indeed, ND and Georgetown are both considerably underrated by USNWR when compared to how HS students view them- they are much more popular and harder to get into than the likes of Emory, Vanderbilt, and Washington University, yet they get dragged down on Academic Reputation, a score based on the assessment of other University Presidents, many of whom seem to have a hard time welcoming the Catholics to the upper echelon. Calm down there. It's not the Catholic thing. For GU, for me, it always seems to be the poli sci thing. Really, if you're good in poli sci, you're trying out your theories on campaigns or serving in the NSC - you're not able to stay at State U and work in the lab. GU suffers on this because some of their best profs get stolen to government for a few years and some of the best professors aren't full-time because they work at Brookings. With that said, many grad programs at GU continue to have a poor reputation, so that hurts, too. I continue to find the whole idea of the list foolish. Depending on your choice of major and your preference for type of school, the entire idea of a generic "best school" is a pipe dream. |
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Post by Jack on Aug 21, 2008 16:10:29 GMT -5
Indeed, ND and Georgetown are both considerably underrated by USNWR when compared to how HS students view them- they are much more popular and harder to get into than the likes of Emory, Vanderbilt, and Washington University, yet they get dragged down on Academic Reputation, a score based on the assessment of other University Presidents, many of whom seem to have a hard time welcoming the Catholics to the upper echelon. Calm down there. It's not the Catholic thing. For GU, for me, it always seems to be the poli sci thing. Really, if you're good in poli sci, you're trying out your theories on campaigns or serving in the NSC - you're not able to stay at State U and work in the lab. GU suffers on this because some of their best profs get stolen to government for a few years and some of the best professors aren't full-time because they work at Brookings. With that said, many grad programs at GU continue to have a poor reputation, so that hurts, too. Of course it's not just a Catholic thing, but overall GU and ND get poorer scores in the Peer Review than they deserve, at least at the undergraduate level, which is what these rankings are supposed to measure. |
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Post by fsohoya on Aug 21, 2008 16:10:41 GMT -5
I'll have to see the details of the ranking, but I can't understand why ND ever gets ahead of us other than alumni giving rate. Or maybe it's that GU's not Catholic enough!
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Post by FewFAC on Aug 21, 2008 16:40:16 GMT -5
Does anyone yet have word regarding whether that three-way tie at 53 includes Florida for a four-way? Same neighborhood, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -5
Since Boz didn't come back from the newsstand yet (my guess is he stopped at EB Games to pick up Madden 09 and has been playing ever since), I'll confirm we're solidly in at #23 again.
Meh...
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Aug 22, 2008 11:01:50 GMT -5
U.S. News Rankings =BUM
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Post by SoCalHoya on Aug 22, 2008 11:38:21 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, ND has a really great endowment and a much higher giving rate. If they didn't have that, they'd be behind us...maybe by quite a bit.
Wash U, Emory, etc. all benefit from endowments. Their rankings would plummet but for the presence of Budweiser/Coca-Cola money.
We also slide because of $ spent per student. Science schools get a bump for this, because of the cost of materials/technology. Poli Sci classes can be taught, for the most part, with a book and a lectern. I don't think the US News should necessarily take those things away as measuring sticks, but I do think they should add campus location as a factor, too. :-) Kiss your ranking goodbye Duke, ND, Wash U!
And, in my experience, the reliance on US News has been sliding among High Schoolers applying. Kids are finally realizing that the rankings are not the sole indicators of a university's value.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 22, 2008 11:52:08 GMT -5
Does anyone yet have word regarding whether that three-way tie at 53 includes Florida for a four-way? Same neighborhood, right? I presume some portion of that comment was lofted in my direction. In any case, I didn't see anyone mention Florida. I did chuckle a bit when someone asked about FSU. They were supposedly just over 100 ... I think it was 106. Either way, I don't know about this ranking, but we were the 29th ranked public university by Forbes if I remember correctly. Granted, that isn't HAAVAAD material, but I ain't complainin' .... 'sides, we's the #1 Party School! |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 22, 2008 11:54:07 GMT -5
Forbes' methodology is ridiculously stupid.
USNews is bad as well, but Forbes is awful. I'm pretty sure their methodology was sold to the highest bidder -- basically advertising for two of their key components.
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Post by CWS on Aug 22, 2008 13:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Aug 22, 2008 14:14:44 GMT -5
Interesting indeed. In a meeting with USNWR's EIC (or Publisher?) a few years ago, some members of Georgetown's AAP (as well as Dean Deacon) suggested this very thing. |
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Post by FewFAC on Aug 22, 2008 15:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 19, 2008 16:29:39 GMT -5
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