sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jul 12, 2008 18:32:25 GMT -5
No Sapp or Summers again?
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Jul 12, 2008 19:07:36 GMT -5
I agree with the idea that Monroe is better suited physically for Big East play. That's why I still think he is more likely to start than Sims, but I don't think it's a lock. I'm definitely hoping Monroe starts, because if he does, that means he is probably playing up to his ability in practice.
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Hoya LNU
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Post by Hoya LNU on Jul 12, 2008 19:10:49 GMT -5
No Sapp or Summers again? Sapp was there in sandals, had an ankle (sorry, don't remember which one) in a neoprene compression wrap-looking thing, walked with a bit of a limp.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Jul 12, 2008 22:28:21 GMT -5
I don't think Monroe is lazy so much as not quite as explosive as people expect him to be. One thing I noticed today was that he has a tendency to go to two-handed jumpers off his post moves, and a lot of times ends up leaning as well - that makes his shot easy to block or alter. Seems like he'd be a lot better off going to a hook. well he's at the right place to develop one!
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 13, 2008 10:05:45 GMT -5
its possible that I overlooked a post...but does anyone have more information on sapp's injury and the extent to which he is hurt? we need sapp healthy.
also, I know summers was at lebron camp last week... is he still there?
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Jul 13, 2008 10:19:35 GMT -5
i think there was only the mention of sapp with a wrap on and nothing more. that could be nothing, or it could be horrible, but i guess we cant speculate
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 13, 2008 10:22:58 GMT -5
I'll speculate that Sapp's leg will not be amputated and as such he'll be fine sometime in the next half-year when the season starts.
He already knows the drill well enough that it's not as important he play extensively this offseason as it was for Dajuan last year.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 13, 2008 11:42:35 GMT -5
Sapp was walking on it but was noticeably limping. I venture to guess that he would have been on crutches or something else if it was a serious issue.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Jul 13, 2008 12:57:54 GMT -5
Jessie is playing right now, so I guess it wasn't bad.
Also omar just grabbed a nice rebound
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Post by idhoya on Jul 13, 2008 12:58:28 GMT -5
Need full analysis afterwards.
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Post by russodj on Jul 13, 2008 13:22:46 GMT -5
Does the Tombs play at 330?
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Post by gujake on Jul 13, 2008 17:44:46 GMT -5
Tombs lost by 1 today, against a team with only 5 players and only one big guy.
Some more thoughts on some of our guys:
Monroe: Had a really up and down day today. Probably had some pretty good stats, but his stats will probably make him look a bit better than he was today. He scored a bunch, but most of them were really easy layups on fast breaks or cherry picking. He got dominated down low in the post on defense a few times. He might have a better body to play defense in the post against big guys, but so far Sims has been the better post defender. Needs to work on one-on-one moves, both offensively, defensively, and in the open court. Had at least 5 TOs today, and almost all of them were him just getting stripped. I'm still very unsure about Greg's perceived "laziness". The game was close, and he did show some more energy down the stretch, but it's still sporadic. He reminds me a bit of Austin last summer, but it's somehow different. To me, it doesn't look like he is "disappearing" like Jeff or Ausitin, it looks more like he just isn't trying as hard as he could. I still don't know.
Clark: Wow! What a game from him. Sick crossover on display today. Super quick.
Nikita: Had his stroke going today. I don't think he showed anything different from yesterday, but his shot was falling more and he was very confident shooting it.
Chris: Did a better job passing today, but also had a whole bunch of turnovers. Took a 3 with time running down to try to win the game, but it was probably out of his range.
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Post by gujake on Jul 13, 2008 17:50:47 GMT -5
I will add that I am really not as down on Monroe as my posts would suggest. He showed some nice moves and rebounded better than I had seen, boxing out well a few times. He has a ton of potential, and I think he will be a great player. But I think the chance he is one-and-done is basically 0. He has too many skills that he still needs to develop. I hope I am very wrong.
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Post by gutuna on Jul 13, 2008 17:53:31 GMT -5
Well that one big guy was Arinze Onuaku from Syracuse. He really pushed Monroe and Sims around inside for most of the day. But he's capable of doing that to a lot of people. He's also quite accustomed to playing the same 5 all the time after last year at the Cuse!
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jul 13, 2008 17:57:40 GMT -5
Did anyone by any chance keep stats today in the absence of FLHoya? For us out-of-towners they are quite helpful in judging performance.
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Post by mapei on Jul 13, 2008 18:31:08 GMT -5
No stats from me, but here are some impressions:
Greg isn't playing as badly as people say. It's true that he's letting the game come to him some but, hey, he's a freshman. I thought his D and rebounding were mostly excellent. His offense is mostly putbacks at this point. I think he has excellent instincts around the basket and will be fine.
Henry - I'm just as impressed as everyone. I had no idea he was as polished as he appears to be. I wonder if this is a situation where Greg has more upside but Henry is ahead now.
Nikita - was great today. I counted 4 threes and a free throw or two, an assist or two, some boards, plus a number of steals and near-steals. I'll forgive some turnovers, because he was really hustling on every play. If he doesn't get playing time here by next year, he should transfer because he can definitely play somewhere.
Chris - spectacular at times, great passing. His D wasn't as impressive as usual, but he looks in charge out there and is the best player on his team. He also looks really ripped.
Jason - kinda quiet, looked good at times.
I saw the first half of the Clyde's game. Their opponents had about 15 guys, the opposite of the earlier game when the team in red had only 5.
Austin looked great. His threes and FTs not only hit nothing but net, they hit nothing but the bottom of the net. He failed to convert on some moves to the basket but drew fouls on a couple of them.
Julian looked excellent to me. His play is very efficient, no wasted movement, but he was almost always in the right place on the floor and made some excellent plays on both O and D. He's going to be fine.
DaJuan was MIA again.
Didn't see the second half of that game, so it's possible that these observations didn't hold.
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Post by onceahoya on Jul 14, 2008 18:04:39 GMT -5
Austin had 30 points in the Clyde's game Sunday. I think the team total was in the high 70s. There were a few stretches where his teammates weren't executing plays or shots simply weren't falling - he looked a little frustrated, but took matters into his own hands either shooting from outside or driving to the basket. He seemed very confident as the leader of the team.
For the Tombs, Monroe did look lackadaisical at times, but he also did a good job getting himself in position near the basket, and had several dunks either off rebounds or cleaning up errant shots. I have bad memories of a few missed dunks from last season so that was nice to see. I was also really impressed with Clark. Some nifty moves to shake off defenders and get himself open, and he seemed to be a pretty reliable shooter. Clark's the one I knew the least about before the games yesterday so he was fun to watch.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 14, 2008 18:11:23 GMT -5
Austin had 30 points in the Clyde's game Sunday. I think the team total was in the high 70s. There were a few stretches where his teammates weren't executing plays or shots simply weren't falling - he looked a little frustrated, but took matters into his own hands either shooting from outside or driving to the basket. He seemed very confident as the leader of the team. For the Tombs, Monroe did look lackadaisical at times, but he also did a good job getting himself in position near the basket, and had several dunks either off rebounds or cleaning up errant shots. I have bad memories of a few missed dunks from last season so that was nice to see. I was also really impressed with Clark. Some nifty moves to shake off defenders and get himself open, and he seemed to be a pretty reliable shooter. Clark's the one I knew the least about before the games yesterday so he was fun to watch. Thanks Once. Maybe Austin is ready to step into a major leadership role this fall, now that Roy, Jon and Pat are gone and Austin has a year under of experience. Clark -- I'm really looking forward to seeing him. Everything I read -- and being DC POY -- gives me every reason to expect a lot from him.
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Post by OnTheDL on Jul 14, 2008 21:41:19 GMT -5
I agree with much of what has been said. Yesterday (Sunday) was my first chance to see Tombs play. My initial impressions:
1) Like most have already noted, I was impressed, but not won over, by Monroe. He has all of the skills, but seemed to lack the explosiveness that I am sure that he will develop over time. But I think that III's system is right for him; with the right mix of people on the floor, I think he will be able to contribute all around as the team grows together. The stats will be hard to read, at least from Sundays game, because many of his points were breakaways/transition/relatively unchallenged.
2) Sims: I was very impressed with Sims. He did generally well defensively; seems to have a good sense of "where to be" on the floor at a given time. Appeared comfortable shooting mid-range. And I would definitely expect him to develop well. Our system needs guys with a high basketball IQ, and I think he has it. Some concerns about size/strength.
3) Clark: I was very impressed here. Excellent speed, ability to generate offense. I want to see more of him.
4) Nikita: As noted above, made a number of 3s. Was more of a "shoot first, look for other options" kind of player yesterday.
5) Chris: (Still) has talent. Became predictable with the dribble-into-traffic, turn it over routine. He definitely needs to learn better decision making, but that is what summer is for.
Unrelated 6) Jeff: has an awesome car.
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Post by jgalt on Jul 14, 2008 23:29:17 GMT -5
What was jeff driving? i saw him there but didnt follow him to the parking lot!
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