SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 16:51:23 GMT -5
Man, I STILL can't get over the news that Julian Vaughan is ELIGIBLE this year! Never expected that one.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 16:51:35 GMT -5
GU sure knows how to keep things quiet. JT3 is different from Pops in many ways, but as far as keeping things quiet? Just the same.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 4, 2008 16:53:28 GMT -5
Blue,
are you serious?
Third pg at Uconn? c'mon.
Wright, AS I TYPE THIS, is better than Reynolds, he's better than James, and that's by a good margin. He's better off the dribble than both of those guys. You have to watch. Just because Chris didn't play that much last season doesn't mean he's unproven. He's not raw either. When he came back, he brought us a dimenson that we simply didn't have, and that's the ability to get into the lane off the dribble and make plays.
I'm not sure I'd even take Price over him. Walker's another story because he's legit, and very good, so good that he's going to push Price to the two.
He and Flynn are comparable, and I have a lot of respect for Flynn. But he makes plays for HIMSELF, not OTHERS, and that's the big difference between them in my opinion.
You have to look and see the talent, and Chris has as much talent as any pg we've had here since AI. Not saying that he's as good as Iverson, but Wright is an all-conference caliber of player. And when he blows up this season, remember that I wrote this.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 4, 2008 17:08:43 GMT -5
I think Wright at worst will be the fifth best PG (Price, Flynn, Fields and invariably someone I'm forgetting) and at best the best PG in the BE.
And for the record, I wasn't suggesting Sapp will or should not start. Just saying that his talents make the most sense to be a super sixth. Of course those talents make him a darn fine starter as well.
What's important is that Sapp FINISHES the game, because he's been so darn good at it.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 17:10:59 GMT -5
I'm expecting a lot of minutes and production from Jason Clark too. We need another true guard. And he was DC POY. The guys who have had that honor before him are an incredibly talented group.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 4, 2008 18:32:34 GMT -5
Let me ask you this MCI. Do you think there's a chance that Freeman comes of the bench? he could come in at the 2 or 3 and, at least in theory, heat it up quickly with is ability to score. Say Wright and Sapp start in the backcourt. and Summers, Monroe, Vaughan start up front. That would give us a LOT more size, great quickness at the point and good size and experience at the 2G. Maybe I just like Seniors. But a senior with the amount of top level experience that Sapp has? I think he starts all year. Agreed. Are we really pulling Jessie's starting job AGAIN? This guy loses his starting job every off-season. Our only senior will start all year. I know it will be tough to give the nod to a guy who only led the team in steals and assists, shot 40%+ from three, and single-handedly gutted us to wins over WVU and 'Cuse but he might be able to fill a role Maybe he's the least-talented starter but that's like being the dumbest professor at MIT with this 5. Hey, are we pulling Freeman's starting spot? For what? As a frosh didn't he essentially win that last home game against Louisville? Look, if some of you folks want to play this game and make up the starting lineups don't get sensitive when a few of us may suggest taking out a guy you really like from the starting five.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 4, 2008 18:36:25 GMT -5
The person most hurt by Vaughn's waiver could be Nikita. Nikita is going to get his time on the court. I wasn't comfortable with the idea of his playing the majority of his minutes at the PF spot anyway so if Vaughn is ready to go Nikita can spend most minutes at the SF. And even though Austin fills in at the SF position, Nikita and DaJuan are the only true small forwards on the roster.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 4, 2008 18:40:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Are we really pulling Jessie's starting job AGAIN? This guy loses his starting job every off-season. Our only senior will start all year. I know it will be tough to give the nod to a guy who only led the team in steals and assists, shot 40%+ from three, and single-handedly gutted us to wins over WVU and 'Cuse but he might be able to fill a role Maybe he's the least-talented starter but that's like being the dumbest professor at MIT with this 5. Hey, are we pulling Freeman's starting spot? For what? If some of you folks want to play this game and make up the starting lineups don't get sensitive when a few of us may suggest taking out a guy you really like from the starting five. Oh taking Freeman out is ridiculous too. We've won two straight regular season titles and our returning starters are dropping like flies on this thread. I'll go out on a limb and say it's easier to teach Austin to box out in the off-season than "teach" someone else to shoot 50 40 and 80% overall, from three, and at the line.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 20:03:16 GMT -5
MCI and Giga
Nothing wrong with the time honored traditions of summertime speculating about the starting line-ups and rotations, especially of guys we haven't even seen yet!
Didn't Wallace lose his starting spot every single summer? That one didn't turn out so badly.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 4, 2008 20:12:58 GMT -5
MCI and Giga Nothing wrong with the time honored traditions of summertime speculating about the starting line-ups and rotations, especially of guys we haven't even seen yet! Didn't Wallace lose his starting spot every single summer? That one didn't turn out so badly. That's true Saxa. I think the guys read this board and work harder when they know they might lose their spot
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 20:15:39 GMT -5
That's true Saxa. I think the guys read this boad and work harder when they know they might lose their spot LOL!
That's gotta be it!
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 5, 2008 0:05:28 GMT -5
Blue, are you serious? Third pg at Uconn? c'mon. Wright, AS I TYPE THIS, is better than Reynolds, he's better than James, and that's by a good margin. He's better off the dribble than both of those guys. You have to watch. Just because Chris didn't play that much last season doesn't mean he's unproven. He's not raw either. When he came back, he brought us a dimenson that we simply didn't have, and that's the ability to get into the lane off the dribble and make plays. I'm not sure I'd even take Price over him. Walker's another story because he's legit, and very good, so good that he's going to push Price to the two. He and Flynn are comparable, and I have a lot of respect for Flynn. But he makes plays for HIMSELF, not OTHERS, and that's the big difference between them in my opinion. You have to look and see the talent, and Chris has as much talent as any pg we've had here since AI. Not saying that he's as good as Iverson, but Wright is an all-conference caliber of player. And when he blows up this season, remember that I wrote this. Look... I hope you're right. I would love nothing more than to see Chris finish as first or second team All-BE. If he does, it almost insures we will be one of the top teams in the conference. That said, while CW is undeniably a great talent and has the ability to get in the lane off the dribble (something we struggled with all year) ... he still had games where he was very inconsistent. See WV and Pitt games in the BE tourney... he was stiffled. Versus WV in 13 minutes he had 0 points and a couple of turnovers. Versus Pitt he next game, he went 0 poitns in 17 minutes. All I am saying is that its hard to call him the 2nd best point in the conference just yet. For the record... I hope you are right though!!
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Post by sleepy on Jul 5, 2008 0:13:14 GMT -5
It was actually that West Virgina game that gives me the most hope for Wright. Yea, he made mistakes and didn't score, but it was only his second game back after missing two and a half months and the whole Big East season. It was the little things, like the pass he made to Hibbert at the top of the key for a wide open layup, that was there all season, but no one else ever exploited it. Right after we had gone down by 4 or 6 points, I think it was Ewing that got a steal and Wright led the fast break and got Freeman an open layup attempt.That is the play the ignited our comeback, without that, who knows what would have happen. It's the litte things like that, after being out so long, that show how good he is.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 5, 2008 8:46:26 GMT -5
I do remember that delayed fast break and dump into hibbert from the top of the key play and remembered thinking the same thing. great pass ...good court sense....
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Post by hoyas4life on Jul 5, 2008 10:23:24 GMT -5
for me one of austin or jessie should come off the bench so as to make room for two real bigs to emphasize rebounding in the starting lineup. many of the games we lost last year were games in which we got owned on the boards, esp. the offensive glass (memphis, pitt in the BET). our shooting percentages in those games were fine, but we couldnt manage to keep dozier, taggart, sam young, even keith benjamin off the offensive glass. even with sapp or austin coming off the bench, our starting five will have plenty of offensive firepower--i just don't see the point in having another scoring threat out there when we've already got wright, dajuan, monroe and one of jessie or austin. i loved our defensive toughness last year and our defensive shooting percentage was top 5 in the nation, but our defensive efficiency numbers were more modest because we gave some teams second chances. neither dajuan nor austin are high on rebounding so if having two real bigs out there helps us solve that problem, i will trade that for any real or perceived hit to the offense.
having someone like austin or jessie off the bench is going to help ensure some offensive continuity, too.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 5, 2008 10:46:13 GMT -5
for me one of austin or jessie should come off the bench so as to make room for two real bigs to emphasize rebounding in the starting lineup. many of the games we lost last year were games in which we got owned on the boards, esp. the offensive glass (memphis, pitt in the BET). our shooting percentages in those games were fine, but we couldnt manage to keep dozier, taggart, sam young, even keith benjamin off the offensive glass. even with sapp or austin coming off the bench, our starting five will have plenty of offensive firepower--i just don't see the point in having another scoring threat out there when we've already got wright, dajuan, monroe and one of jessie or austin. i loved our defensive toughness last year and our defensive shooting percentage was top 5 in the nation, but our defensive efficiency numbers were more modest because we gave some teams second chances. neither dajuan nor austin are high on rebounding so if having two real bigs out there helps us solve that problem, i will trade that for any real or perceived hit to the offense. having someone like austin or jessie off the bench is going to help ensure some offensive continuity, too. Or we could just get the linebacker-like Austin to box out. He was a freshman so it can be taught. Dajuan was the best defensive rebounder on the team. He is not a liability on the glass. If Austin works on rebounding, all this concern goes away. Wright is a far better rebounder than Wallace and Roy was a good, but not great rebounder, so his production can be replaced up front. And there are no guarantees two bigs=more boards. Exhibit A: Vernon Macklin. I think it's better to work with Austin in the offseason than to assume he just can't board. He's getting tons of minutes either way and he can't be the worst rebounder on the team regardless of where he plays.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 5, 2008 11:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Jul 5, 2008 11:28:56 GMT -5
I'll be happy not to get any more 7-footers if it means we keep getting the Rileys, MOnroes, Vaughns, Sims and Braswells of the world. Also, article in Wash Times today on Vaughn: washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/05/vaughns-waiver-adds-depth-for-hoyas/"Georgetown's depth issues vanished Thursday with the announcement that the NCAA granted Florida State transfer Julian Vaughn a waiver to play for the Hoyas this season."
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Post by hoyas4life on Jul 5, 2008 12:16:36 GMT -5
giga, i am totally with you that rebounding can be taught and also that there's no guarantees that vaughn and sims will board better than austin or dajuan. it certainly seems monroe will immediately become a better rebounder than anyone we had on the roster last year so that's encouraging. dajuan showed flashes of jeff green quality rebounding last year, but for me the effort wasn't consistent enough for a 4, especially with roy being an average rebounder. i just felt if we had jeff green (or a rebounder of that ilk) in those memphis and pitt games last year, we would have won those games (even without jeff green's special offensive talent)
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2008 12:44:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the link to the article. Did anyone else read the excerpt below and think that it came directly from JT3 to Barker? Vaughn boasts excellent shooting range and a 7-3 wingspan but needs to improve his post game and commit himself to engaging in a bit more banging in the paint. His ACC critics said he spent too much time last season floating around the 3-point arc for a player with his imposing frame.
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