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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 4, 2008 9:43:31 GMT -5
GREAT NEWS!! This really improves our depth and will help us compete for a double bye in the BET this year.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 4, 2008 11:08:17 GMT -5
GREAT NEWS!! This really improves our depth and will help us compete for a double bye in the BET this year. This really does have a big impact on our depth. The difference between being 7 and 8 deep is huge. We're no longer thin.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 4, 2008 11:10:41 GMT -5
Here's something: what if he starts? I mean, why not? 6-10, 254, has a year in, all-around player. Not crazy to think he has a limited role as a freshman and then with offseason work would become a starter.
You'd have to think he'd have as good a chance as anyone to take that 5 spot. Monroe's been the assumed starter but he hasn't earned that spot yet. Now, you'd think he really has to earn it.
Vaughn works on some consistent low post moves and conditioning and you'd have to think he has a real chance.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 4, 2008 11:20:07 GMT -5
exceptional news.... just finished watching the WV - GU game in this year's BE tourney...macklin's best game of the year. even in his best game...he had a couple head scratching moments and bricked freethrows. if vaughn is nothing more than an active body for about 10 minutes a game who can shoot over 25% from the line...its an improvement. I think Mackin's best three games last year were at Pitt, at St John's and against Davidson.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 4, 2008 11:45:46 GMT -5
exceptional news.... just finished watching the WV - GU game in this year's BE tourney...macklin's best game of the year. even in his best game...he had a couple head scratching moments and bricked freethrows. if vaughn is nothing more than an active body for about 10 minutes a game who can shoot over 25% from the line...its an improvement. I think Mackin's best three games last year were at Pitt, at St John's and against Davidson. You're right... he threw up some big numbers against the johnies... but I'm not sure you could really call that a game. I guess my point is that in the few games he did play well... at the end of the day he was still good for a few turnovers and horrific shooting from the line. Vaughn just might be an improvement.
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Post by RDF on Jul 4, 2008 12:14:20 GMT -5
I like Summers at SF spot--for defensive reasons and offensively--if he does as I expect and improves his handle/mid range game now that he's healthy in offseason--I think we'll see a much different player--for instance--check out the dribble drive move in BET Semi against WVU he makes late in game--it's a sick throw ball from behind his back between his legs and attack the rim--he missed the finish--but that move was BIG TIME. Of course--I'm also thinking with Dajuan at SF--this team went to Final Four--so a return to that position might be my own supersticious ways taking over.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 4, 2008 12:18:57 GMT -5
I still think he will start at PF, but he may end up playing more minutes at the three as RDF pointed out.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 4, 2008 12:40:11 GMT -5
As the only experienced big man, Vaughn is going to get pretty big minutes whether he starts or not. And I could definitely see a Monroe/Vaughn starting frontline as well.
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Post by royski on Jul 4, 2008 12:42:36 GMT -5
As the only experienced big man, Vaughn is going to get pretty big minutes whether he starts or not. And I could definitely see a Monroe/Vaughn starting frontline as well. With Wright off the bench?
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 4, 2008 12:53:23 GMT -5
While DS will probably start the year at the 4 slot and Monroe at the 5... by the time BE play begins...I suspect we will add a 2nd big (whether it be Sims or Vaughn) to the starting line up and drop DS to the 3. As for the other two starting spots... I just don't see Sapp coming off the bench. That being the case... it comes down to Wright and Freeman for the last spot... whoever is playing better gets the job. Let's just say Wright has something to prove.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:23:37 GMT -5
I think the key point of all these posts about starters, is that JT3 now has tremendous flexibility with his roster and lineups.
Guys who could play roles?
Center -- Julian, Greg, Henry
PF -- Dajuan, Greg, Julian, Henry
SF -- Austin, DaJuan, Nikita
2G -- Sapp, Freeman, Clark, Wright, Omar
PG -- Sapp, Wright, Clark
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:25:08 GMT -5
The next question is, could someone lose their starting spot?
Freeman? I think most of us would prefer DaJuan at the 3 over Austin? But that only happens if two of the bigs start at the 4 and 5
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:26:52 GMT -5
We are expecting Sapp and Wright to start at the Guard spots.
Who is the point? Is there really a difference? Sapp played a lot of point the past couple years.
But, could Austin start with Jessie? Does he have the handle and quicks? Did he really gain all that weight?
Where does Clark fit in? He's going to get minutes.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:31:24 GMT -5
Personally, I've never bought the "DaJuan is better at the SF" argument. He should have a quickness advantage over PFs that he doesn't have over SFs or third guards. However, having DaJuan at the 3 (and not Austin) will greatly improve out rebounding. And having a non-freshman and a third guy in your true big man rotation is huge. I disagree SF.... DaJuan doesn't lose in the quickness battle and he is bigger and stronger than most college 3s. I think he DOES lose in the size and strength battle against the better PFs in the BE. And his mindset -- he seems to be a lot more comfortable on the perimeter and not having to battle for position with big dudes. So yeah, I think he has better size/quickness advantages at the SF and I think his mindset is programmed there too.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:35:27 GMT -5
I think guys are going to win starting spots in practice and in the early season games. Wright has a shot to start. So do Monroe & Vaughan. Plus the three returning starters, Austin, DaJuan and Jessie.
This is a good problem!
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2008 13:37:51 GMT -5
One more thing -- The example set by senior Patrick Ewing. He gave up his starting job for the sake of the team (rotation, chemistry, energy off the bench, Defense, etc.)
Not only did he take to the role willingly and enthusiastically, he got himself drafted at #43 over a whole slew of guys who were starting for other teams.
That example is going to help JT3 and staff put together the best team.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 4, 2008 14:03:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Chris Wright is NOT coming off the bench this season.
He, more than any other player on this roster, adds a dimension that no other player has. He's our best ballhandler, our best penetrator, and our point guard, who I think is the second best pg in the Big East behind Price from UConn. He's not coming off the bench, so people need to drop that assumption. He many, in fact, be our most important player.
If Vaughn starts, Freeman comes off the bench. However, I think if DaJuan improves his ballhandling enough, he starts at the four with Austin at the three and Monroe at the five.
Also, Vaughn isn't starting over Monroe. Greg, even though he has yet to play a college game, is the best big on this team. 6-10, left-handed, with a great skill set. You just don't sit those kind of players. Monroe is the first alpha recruit this program has had in a long time. He's not sitting.
Our lineup is now sick, and in my opinion, a final four type of talented team. Wright is one of the best pg's. Sapp is one of the best combo guards in the conference. DaJuan will make the leap and take the challenge to improve because he wants to get to the next level. And now we have the flexibility. As long as this team stays healthy, we have the chance to be exceptionally good.
But Chris Wright is starting from day one. That you can count on.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 4, 2008 14:06:33 GMT -5
As the only experienced big man, Vaughn is going to get pretty big minutes whether he starts or not. And I could definitely see a Monroe/Vaughn starting frontline as well. With Wright off the bench? I think Wright starts no matter what. I know a lot of others differ, but I think he will win the job.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 4, 2008 14:09:30 GMT -5
Personally, I've never bought the "DaJuan is better at the SF" argument. He should have a quickness advantage over PFs that he doesn't have over SFs or third guards. However, having DaJuan at the 3 (and not Austin) will greatly improve out rebounding. And having a non-freshman and a third guy in your true big man rotation is huge. I disagree SF.... DaJuan doesn't lose in the quickness battle and he is bigger and stronger than most college 3s. I think he DOES lose in the size and strength battle against the better PFs in the BE. And his mindset -- he seems to be a lot more comfortable on the perimeter and not having to battle for position with big dudes. So yeah, I think he has better size/quickness advantages at the SF and I think his mindset is programmed there too. We'll just keep disagreeing on the quickness thing. Even if you think he's quick enough to keep up with all the threes and 3rd guards (and I didn't say he isn't) I still think he should abuse a guy like Jeff Adrien by taking him outside and blowing past him. But you are right that DaJuan's mentality is on the perimeter -- I'd just like him to start there and finish on the interior instead of taking so many jumpers.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 4, 2008 14:09:50 GMT -5
You simply can't place a stamp on how important a dynamic point guard is in this day and era of basketball.
And Chris Wright is a dynamic point guard
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