GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 13, 2008 9:38:38 GMT -5
Small Forwards can usually also rebound. You can't do that at 6-3 when you are matched up with a 6-7 to 6-9 small forward. Rebounding is 20% height, 80% heart. Over the last few years, we have had frontcourt lineups that have been as tall as any other school in the country, yet we've been no better than an average rebounding team. I think we can put to rest any notion that a person can't compete for rebounds merely because he lacks ideal height. Perry McDonald would certainly agree. Agreed. Actually I think we go three-guards (Freeman included as a guard in this case) for exactly this reason. Wright, Sapp, and Freeman CAN rebound. I have no idea about Clark but at least two of the three out there at all times would be good on the boards. Oddly, the worst rebounder on the team last year after Wallace was probably Macklin. |
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 13, 2008 10:25:00 GMT -5
From one of his games on the Net, Clark looked like he has a great nose for rebounds.
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Post by RDF on May 13, 2008 11:34:12 GMT -5
Clark is the best rebounder out of the guards--and Chris Wright is a fantastic rebounder for his size--but Clark had over 900 rebounds in his HS career as a guard and we know the level of competition he played.
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Post by moe09 on May 13, 2008 13:26:50 GMT -5
Let's not forget Sapp as a rebounder. Love seein' the little guys mixin' it up with the trees.
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Post by professorhoya on May 13, 2008 13:35:37 GMT -5
Small Forwards can usually also rebound. You can't do that at 6-3 when you are matched up with a 6-7 to 6-9 small forward. Rebounding is 20% height, 80% heart. Over the last few years, we have had frontcourt lineups that have been as tall as any other school in the country, yet we've been no better than an average rebounding team. I think we can put to rest any notion that a person can't compete for rebounds merely because he lacks ideal height. Perry McDonald would certainly agree. People are alot taller now then when Perry played. AD could dominate the post at 6-4 back in the 80s, he wouldn't be able to do that now. It's ludicrous to think that height and length don't matter when rebounding. |
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Post by professorhoya on May 13, 2008 13:41:31 GMT -5
Agreed. Actually I think we go three-guards (Freeman included as a guard in this case) for exactly this reason. Wright, Sapp, and Freeman CAN rebound. I have no idea about Clark but at least two of the three out there at all times would be good on the boards. Oddly, the worst rebounder on the team last year after Wallace was probably Macklin. The problem last year was that Hibbert is a subpar rebounder for his position and Summers is also subpar for the 4 position. Monroe should be much better than Hibbert at the 5. Which is why they should have had Ewing in the starting lineup alongside Hibbert and Summers. This year's team may be able to get away with 3 guard becasue Monroe should be an athletic rebounding presence. And Clark will be too good to keep on the bench. Although I think this year we will have problems with UConn's frontline of 7-3 Thabeet and 6-9 Robinson, 6-7 243lbs Adrien. |
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Post by hoyasexy on May 13, 2008 13:47:15 GMT -5
I didn't say that height doesn't matter. Of course it matters. My point is that if a smaller guy wants it more, he is going to do very well on the boards.
Positioning is the most important thing in rebounding. If a 6'4" guy can get position on a 7'2" guy, one of two things will happen: (1) the smaller guy will get the rebound, or (2) the bigger guy will get called for a foul. This is especially true in college, where big men are harder to find.
Don't believe me? Ask Roy.
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Post by royski on May 13, 2008 14:43:49 GMT -5
With Jeff, we were actually one of the best rebounding teams in the country.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 13, 2008 14:51:51 GMT -5
I didn't say that height doesn't matter. Of course it matters. My point is that if a smaller guy wants it more, he is going to do very well on the boards. Positioning is the most important thing in rebounding. If a 6'4" guy can get position on a 7'2" guy, one of two things will happen: (1) the smaller guy will get the rebound, or (2) the bigger guy will get called for a foul. This is especially true in college, where big men are harder to find. Don't believe me? Ask Roy. The bigger point is Williams, Harris, Brown, Anderson...pretty much every contending team's three is between 6'4 and 6'6. The notable exceptions are UConn and Notre Dame but Ayers couldn't box out my mom. A 6'4 220lbs SF is fine size-wise in college ball. Summers was our best defensive rebounder last year by the end of the year. I don't expect him to get any worse so I'm not worried about him being subpar. |
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Post by MCIGuy on May 13, 2008 14:54:17 GMT -5
Agreed. Actually I think we go three-guards (Freeman included as a guard in this case) for exactly this reason. Wright, Sapp, and Freeman CAN rebound. I have no idea about Clark but at least two of the three out there at all times would be good on the boards. Oddly, the worst rebounder on the team last year after Wallace was probably Macklin. The problem last year was that Hibbert is a subpar rebounder for his position and Summers is also subpar for the 4 position. Monroe should be much better than Hibbert at the 5. Which is why they should have had Ewing in the starting lineup alongside Hibbert and Summers. They did for the first ten or so games thinking Ewing was going to add that extra dimension of rebounding. Go look at his numbers during those contests. He didn't make much of a difference at all. So far no player has stood out as a rebounder during III's reign. No one. Maybe that's a result of playing a delibertat style, with limited posssions, high quality shots and your big men standing outside the paint half the time they are on the floor. |
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Post by prhoya on May 13, 2008 15:49:16 GMT -5
Agree with MCI, Ewing did not provide that extra dimension when he started during the first half of last season. It will be interesting to see how we rebound next year with the addition of Monroe, Sims and Clark, plus more time for Wright. My guess is we improve.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 16, 2008 10:33:16 GMT -5
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