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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2008 10:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasexy on Apr 15, 2008 10:18:52 GMT -5
I must say I'm shocked. Clearly, Keno should be able to parlay his success to a better job, but I'm not convinced that Provy is that job. I just don't see anyone having a lot of success at Provy, given the strength and depth of the Big East. The school hasn't demonstrated much desire to put a good product on the floor.
I think he could have done better. The OK State job will almost certainly start a chain reaction involving a litany of higher-profile jobs that he could get in the mix for. If not this year, then soon. He can succeed at Drake, so his name will stay in the public mind. I think that he might start to disappear at Provy.
I hope I'm wrong because I want Provy to succeed.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 15, 2008 10:39:18 GMT -5
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Post by turbohoya on Apr 15, 2008 11:39:14 GMT -5
$1mm is a lot of money for a guy who had 1 great (and only) season as a head coach... especially when you get 7 years worth of $1mm per... Providence is reaching
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 15, 2008 12:19:09 GMT -5
This could be a reach but they had been turned down 3 times by more seasoned and better fit coaches. PC really could not afford PR-wise another miss. The good thing about Davis is he seems to be an excellent maximizer of existing talent based on taking a team that was picked to finish 9th in the Valley to 1st. That will come in handy next year with all of the Provy seniors and experience.
However, my concern would be can he refill the roster after next season? He clearly did not have time at Drake to prove he could recruit. That is always a must have in the BE, you need the local talent to compete.
Provy could have done worse than the reigning COY, however, he is not a "natural" fit for the Big East or PC and they put down a lot of money for a guy who may not be able to recruit. PC needs Davis to replicate his quick success plan and maybe things can fall into place.
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Post by Jack on Apr 15, 2008 12:24:59 GMT -5
PC has some talent to work with and Davis has shown he can do good things with even a little bit of talent. Who knows how he will pan out as a recruiter, but for now I would say it looks like a solid hire. His dad also knows a thing or two about coaching in the Big East.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 15, 2008 12:28:57 GMT -5
His father is Tom -- a very successful HC at many schools including nearby BC. How will this help Keno? Somebody with that background and long time connections will be far more likely to succeed at recruiting than one might think based on his HC resume of exactly one year. There's no guarantee, but a great deal of recruiting is contacts and "knowing the game".
I don't know what PC's other options were, other than the guys who turned them down, but to me this looks like a pretty good, aggressive gamble with a good chance of succeeding. I hope it does.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 15, 2008 12:31:35 GMT -5
hope he does a good job need a strong big east and strong providence go dr. toms son a son of a doc go friars
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 15, 2008 12:58:30 GMT -5
Bobby Petrino, round 2.
You don't coach at a school one year and then bolt.
Keno will stay there as long as there's not a better job out there.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 15, 2008 13:14:04 GMT -5
Bobby Petrino, round 2. You don't coach at a school one year and then bolt. Keno will stay there as long as there's not a better job out there. Completely different situation than Petrino. -Davis was an assistant at Drake for four years. Petrino had no prior involvement with the Atlanta Falcons. -Davis left Drake for a better job. Petrino left the NFL for the Arkansas Razorbacks. -Davis is getting more money by going to Providence. Petrino took a salary cut by leaving Atlanta. I don't think there's anything remotely slimy about Davis leaving Drake after one season as HC there. And I think this is a good hire for Providence. The only thing that surprises me a bit is the salary Davis is getting -- I didn't think PC's athletic budget was that big. If they've got that kind of cash, why is the Friars' lacrosse program so underfunded?
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 15, 2008 13:44:38 GMT -5
Answer to that might be designated donations from big cats to be used only for the BB HC.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2008 14:04:45 GMT -5
Other factors:
1. Other income opportunities might be lower in Providence. Camps, endorsements, etc. For instance, in a Forbes article, they referenced that Calipari is pulling down huge dollars in speaking engagements. Other people have shoe deals, free use of facilities for basketball camps, provided housing, cars, etc.
2. Providence is a tough job. Sometimes you have to pay more.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 15, 2008 14:11:45 GMT -5
Athletic departments consistently make decisions on what to fund and what not to fund. Georgetown in the mid-late 90s specifically designated certain programs as having local, regional, or national aspirations and funded them accordingly.
Austin - I understand what you're saying, but Keno left a place where he was an assistant after one year as a coach. It does not speak to his reliability at establishing a program, which is what Providence desperately needs.
The other thing that worries me is that Keno didn't recruit his own players (though he was part of it as an assistant, being a colonel is not the same as being a general). I really, desperately, want this to succeed, but there seem to be big honking warning lights everywhere.
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Post by GPHoya on Apr 15, 2008 14:43:30 GMT -5
Hard to imagine how Providence could have done better. Larranaga felt like Joe Mullaney all over again. Coaching is a young man's game. Ford has accomplished less than Davis. If Davis succeeds, he will move on, but that is reality for Providence. Davis has a chance to have a successful first year which will give him some time to recruit. Providence, like Xavier, needs some basketball success to build an identity for student admissions and some wealthy alums were evidently willing to pick up the tab. It is still a tough job given the conference, but BC's decline and the looming transition at UConn could open up New England a little for the Friars.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 15, 2008 14:55:48 GMT -5
Athletic departments consistently make decisions on what to fund and what not to fund. Georgetown in the mid-late 90s specifically designated certain programs as having local, regional, or national aspirations and funded them accordingly. Austin - I understand what you're saying, but Keno left a place where he was an assistant after one year as a coach. It does not speak to his reliability at establishing a program, which is what Providence desperately needs. The other thing that worries me is that Keno didn't recruit his own players (though he was part of it as an assistant, being a colonel is not the same as being a general). I really, desperately, want this to succeed, but there seem to be big honking warning lights everywhere. Agree, I am worried about the 1 year and bolt thing too. PC is not a destination job, it is a stepping stone. Davis looks like he is all too eager to step on a few stones. I am still not sold on his recruiting. I don't think his dad coaching BC in the late 70s/early 80s, means anything today. I just do not believe a connection that distant has much value. I hope I am wrong PC needs to get better.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 15, 2008 15:44:34 GMT -5
I agree with hoyasexy, I really don't know why he would take this job. Provy has to work uphill in the BE, and I could see this potentially styming his career path, as opposed to being a stepping stone on to something bigger. If I were him I would have sat around and waited. Take Anthony Grant who I think is doing the smart thing and just sitting around and waiting for the right job. There's no need to snap at the first fish that comes your way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 15, 2008 15:57:27 GMT -5
Errr... $7MM dollars guaranteed is why he took the job. I'm not saying the Anthony Grant strategy is or isn't smart. But I wonder if he's still the next hot coach next year. $7MM is a lot of dough.
Yes, it is a stepping stone, but at least he is likely a good coach, rather than some of the retread names that were being passed around.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 15, 2008 16:20:06 GMT -5
It is still a tough job given the conference, but BC's decline and the looming transition at UConn could open up New England a little for the Friars. Actually I think you've hit on something, and if they could start pulling NY kids up to RI then there may be hope for them yet
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Post by hoyasaxact on Apr 15, 2008 16:57:07 GMT -5
What's the "looming transition" at UConn?
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 15, 2008 17:00:27 GMT -5
It is still a tough job given the conference, but BC's decline and the looming transition at UConn could open up New England a little for the Friars. Actually I think you've hit on something, and if they could start pulling NY kids up to RI then there may be hope for them yet BC's not really declining. And there's no telling how long until the UConn "transition" comes up. And then there's UMass. And then there's UMass! Providence's larger goal right now is to avoid total Big East irrelevance and potential expulsion. Locking down Boston-area talent doesn't really matter in the short term.
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