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Post by kchoya on Mar 10, 2008 13:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Mar 10, 2008 14:26:13 GMT -5
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 14:49:17 GMT -5
I'm just looking forward to the day we find out who the men behind the "Client 1" through "Client 8" code-names are...
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Post by Bando on Mar 10, 2008 14:49:38 GMT -5
Every time this happens to a politician, I think only one thing: how could they have been so stupid? I mean, seriously, have some aide make the call to set up your appointment with the prostitute, and don't use your name. Don't call yourself and get caught on a wiretap!!! And I really hope (but doubt) he only paid in cash.
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Post by thebin on Mar 10, 2008 15:04:25 GMT -5
This self-rightous bully who made his name as a rogue prosecuter (who once busted up a prostiution ring as DA) gets caught and he isn't even going to resign? Wow. Some stones on that jerk.
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Post by thebin on Mar 10, 2008 15:17:47 GMT -5
A post from Slate blog....
"A Disappointment to My Family? Try Again.
Here is my overwhelming impression of that press conference. I would like to see Eliot Spitzer's face if one of the white-collar creeps he so loved to bust gave this speech at the sentencing hearing. "Judge, Mr. Spitzer, this is a private matter. I have violated my obligations to my family and my own sense of right and wrong. I have failed to live up to my own standards, and now I must dedicate time to repairing the family wounds I have caused."
And what would be Spitzer's response to this: "Yeah, how about you dedicate some time to that orange jumpsuit I am about to put you in? Private matter, my ass. If you want to make it up to your wife, you can write her a nice letter. From jail."
Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 3:56 PM by Hanna Rosin
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Post by kchoya on Mar 10, 2008 16:21:15 GMT -5
Every time this happens to a politician, I think only one thing: how could they have been so stupid? I mean, seriously, have some aide make the call to set up your appointment with the prostitute, and don't use your name. Don't call yourself and get caught on a wiretap!!! And I really hope (but doubt) he only paid in cash. Actually, the affidavit excerpted on smokinggun.com does have Client #9 paying in cash. Unfortunately, it's right under the heading "interstate transportation." Moral of the story, meet your hookers where they live, don't transport them across state lines. |
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Post by Bando on Mar 10, 2008 16:25:53 GMT -5
Every time this happens to a politician, I think only one thing: how could they have been so stupid? I mean, seriously, have some aide make the call to set up your appointment with the prostitute, and don't use your name. Don't call yourself and get caught on a wiretap!!! And I really hope (but doubt) he only paid in cash. Actually, the affidavit excerpted on smokinggun.com does have Client #9 paying in cash. Unfortunately, it's right under the heading "interstate transportation." Moral of the story, meet your hookers where they live, don't transport them across state lines. True that. I mean, are DC hookers not good enough for you, Spitzy? |
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Post by Boz on Mar 10, 2008 16:49:54 GMT -5
Every time this happens to a politician, I think only one thing: how could they have been so stupid? I mean, seriously, have some aide make the call to set up your appointment with the prostitute, and don't use your name. Don't call yourself and get caught on a wiretap!!! And I really hope (but doubt) he only paid in cash. Are you really that surprised? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get surprised by this kind of thing anymore. I don't think its as much a case of the "stupids" as it is a sense of power that these guys get (not exactly like, but similar to, the same feeling of invincibility that professional athletes have). Take Mr. Wide Stance, for example. What did he say when he got caught: "Do you know who I am?" I think that is relatively pervasive among Type-A egos of this size. Now take me for another example. I've never used a prostitute, but it's not like it hasn't been a temptation on a few occasions (especially when I've been in Vegas). And it's not some moral superiority either. Maybe some Catholic guilt, but aside from that, it's really just thinking to myself, "If anyone is going to get caught and humiliated for something like this, it'll definitely be me." I think politicians feel the exact opposite. On the other hand, I have an older and wiser friend who said to me once, "Think of all the things you don't want to regret on your death bed. Isn't not being able to say, even once, that you got a 'hooker in the lane' one of those things?" Awkward sentence construction aside, I think he may have a point. But I'll still probably never do it. (OK, he didn't use the expression 'hooker in the lane'; he's not a Georgetown fan. But his exact words were too vulgar to be repeated here, so I made the substitution) |
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 10, 2008 18:27:37 GMT -5
Notice how few times the fact he's a Democrat gets mentioned? Now, were he a Republican, that's another story.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Mar 10, 2008 19:43:09 GMT -5
Notice how few times the fact he's a Democrat gets mentioned? Now, were he a Republican, that's another story. That's because it's the Rs who always hit the morality drum. Nobody cares that Cheney drives gas-guzzling cars, etc., but when it came out that Gore had the greenhouse gas-producing estate, the press had a field day. |
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Post by thebin on Mar 11, 2008 8:03:00 GMT -5
Nobody has hit the morality drum harder than Elliot Spitzer, and I mean nobody. I actually did notice that he was almost never referred to as a Democrat last night- on both local and national media coverage I watched. This is one of those non-intentional examples of bias Bernie Goldberg wrote about in Bias. It doesn't arrive from some deliberate conspiracy. When scandal like this happens to a "good guy" the story is all about the scandal, it never occurs to anyone to specify his party. But if it happens to a GOPer, the people who write the scripts can't help but make it known early and often that the guy is a member of the party they hate. They don't even know they are doing this, its all a function of habit, of surrounding themselves with people who take it for granted that one party is mostly good and the other is mostly bad.
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Post by thebin on Mar 11, 2008 8:17:30 GMT -5
SoCalHoya....your first sentence is nonsense; your second sentence is very true. Your second sentence is true because the press feeds on hypocrisy- not because of some inherent quality of the GOP....just like they did when Rush Limbaugh was found to have a drug problem... In the case of Spitzer, his previous moral grandstanding about corruption as well as the fact that the man has actually prosecuted prostitution rings mean that this scandal is a 10 on a 10 point scale and I am actually astonished he has not yet resigned. I imagine he will in the coming days, but if he gets away with this it will blow my mind.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 11, 2008 9:02:32 GMT -5
This self-rightous bully who made his name as a rogue prosecuter (who once busted up a prostiution ring as DA) gets caught and he isn't even going to resign? Wow. Some stones on that jerk. I'll never criticize a prosecutor ("rogue" or otherwise) b/c I want to be one, and I think that criminals should be dealt with. It doesn't matter what it takes, as long as Spitzer followed the law as a prosecutor, I support every bust he made. Now, I just hope someone else does the same to him. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 11, 2008 9:59:22 GMT -5
This self-rightous bully who made his name as a rogue prosecuter (who once busted up a prostiution ring as DA) gets caught and he isn't even going to resign? Wow. Some stones on that jerk. I'll never criticize a prosecutor ("rogue" or otherwise) b/c I want to be one, and I think that criminals should be dealt with. It doesn't matter what it takes, as long as Spitzer followed the law as a prosecutor, I support every bust he made. Now, I just hope someone else does the same to him. The difference is that he took his career as a prosecutor and rode it to the statehouse on a law & order, return of ethics campaign. |
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Post by SoCalHoya on Mar 11, 2008 10:10:03 GMT -5
SoCalHoya....your first sentence is nonsense; your second sentence is very true. Your second sentence is true because the press feeds on hypocrisy- not because of some inherent quality of the GOP....just like they did when Rush Limbaugh was found to have a drug problem... In the case of Spitzer, his previous moral grandstanding about corruption as well as the fact that the man has actually prosecuted prostitution rings mean that this scandal is a 10 on a 10 point scale and I am actually astonished he has not yet resigned. I imagine he will in the coming days, but if he gets away with this it will blow my mind. I wouldn't consider it "nonsense," but I do concede that it isn't the Rs that are the only individuals hitting the morality drum. There are plenty of Ds doing it, too (including Spitzer), and I should have defined morality more broadly anyway (stewardship for our fellow citizens, the environment, civil rights etc.). What I was referring to was more of the "family values" morality drum. And what you say about the hypocrisy is correct, when you have a politician who makes himself a champion of conservative family values (e.g., Larry Craig), it is very newsworthy that they get caught in some sort of ridiculous mess that exposes them as a hypocrite. In this case, given Spitzer's record on corruption and even prosecuting prostitution rings (perhaps this is how he found about how these organizations work?), assuming he is guilty, he deserves every line of press he gets. |
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Post by thebin on Mar 11, 2008 10:11:37 GMT -5
This self-rightous bully who made his name as a rogue prosecuter (who once busted up a prostiution ring as DA) gets caught and he isn't even going to resign? Wow. Some stones on that jerk. I'll never criticize a prosecutor ("rogue" or otherwise) b/c I want to be one, and I think that criminals should be dealt with. It doesn't matter what it takes, as long as Spitzer followed the law as a prosecutor, I support every bust he made. Now, I just hope someone else does the same to him. I think power-mad prosecuters, like Mike Nifong, are a massively under-reported threat to personal liberty in this country. We could use more checks on prosecuters frankly. |
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Post by thebin on Mar 11, 2008 10:13:14 GMT -5
SoCalHoya....your first sentence is nonsense; your second sentence is very true. Your second sentence is true because the press feeds on hypocrisy- not because of some inherent quality of the GOP....just like they did when Rush Limbaugh was found to have a drug problem... In the case of Spitzer, his previous moral grandstanding about corruption as well as the fact that the man has actually prosecuted prostitution rings mean that this scandal is a 10 on a 10 point scale and I am actually astonished he has not yet resigned. I imagine he will in the coming days, but if he gets away with this it will blow my mind. I wouldn't consider it "nonsense," but I do concede that it isn't the Rs that are the only individuals hitting the morality drum. There are plenty of Ds doing it, too (including Spitzer), and I should have defined morality more broadly anyway (stewardship for our fellow citizens, the environment, civil rights etc.). What I was referring to was more of the "family values" morality drum. And what you say about the hypocrisy is correct, when you have a politician who makes himself a champion of conservative family values (e.g., Larry Craig), it is very newsworthy that they get caught in some sort of ridiculous mess that exposes them as a hypocrite. In this case, given Spitzer's record on corruption and even prosecuting prostitution rings (perhaps this is how he found about how these organizations work?), assuming he is guilty, he deserves every line of press he gets. Agreed. But bad press isn't enough. He must lose his job. If he doesn't resign in the next day, the NY GOP will go public with impeachment plans. He'll resign today I think. There are a lot more Republicans in upstate and LI NY than you might think. NY STATE is NOT NYC nor is it Rhode Island. |
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Post by SoCalHoya on Mar 11, 2008 10:31:26 GMT -5
Agree fully. Assuming he is guilty (why else have a press conference?), he should have resigned yesterday.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 11, 2008 11:18:44 GMT -5
scum, scumSCUMscum, SCUM!!!!! <to the theme from dragnet>
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