royski
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Post by royski on Feb 9, 2008 22:57:38 GMT -5
The time has come. With every passing game, Jon Wallace has played worse and worse and worse. Tonight was his worst game yet. We don't have a final box score, but I believe that he had 5 turnovers and missed 4 threes. That kind of stuff loses games, ESPECIALLY when that "production" is coming from someone who many of us expected to be, along with Roy, a leader of this team.
We need to drastically cut Jon's minutes, and give them to Patrick. Pat goes out there and plays his heart out every possession, and unlike Jon, that effort translates into production. With Pat we're better defensively, more fluid, better rebounders and more versatile. With Jon Wallace getting 26 minutes a night of non-production, we're not going anywhere in march.
For those of you who say it was fine last year, that's true. But it was last year. Wallace was a better player last year. We also had Jeff Green in the line-up who is a major upgrade over DaJuan Summers defensively and on the glass. Without him, we need Patrick in the line-up as opposed to Jon.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 9, 2008 22:58:14 GMT -5
If he must sit, Rivers must not get off the bus.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 9, 2008 23:02:49 GMT -5
What we really need is to get Jeff back.   |
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ichirohoya
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Post by ichirohoya on Feb 9, 2008 23:03:05 GMT -5
If he must sit, Rivers must not get off the bus. Lets not forget that about a month ago- J-Wal couldn't miss. And- not so very long ago- we were all wanting to have Rivers' babies after his defensive effort against Cuse. Let's not all develop very short memories. |
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Post by hoya21 on Feb 9, 2008 23:04:49 GMT -5
I love him, but a speedy guard shows off his defensive weaknesses, and now with no offensive consistency, I think it is time for Jon either to sit, drive to the hoop, or start shooting..... dribbling around down by 9 is no way to be a quarterback
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hoyanick
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Post by hoyanick on Feb 9, 2008 23:05:21 GMT -5
Give me a break. Did you watch the game? Jon's admittedly damaging misses did not even come close to the impact Rivers' bad passes, errant dribbles, and assorted bonehead moments had on this game.
Its worth remembering how highly regarded Pitino's squad was when they entered the season, before injuries and suspensions. I can't wait until March 8th - its going to be a war.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 9, 2008 23:06:31 GMT -5
Rivers is not EXPECTED to make the contribution that Wallace is.
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Feb 9, 2008 23:08:49 GMT -5
royski-
with all due respect, we are currently in first place with a record of 19-3.
Jon Wallace hit the biggest shot (green's do-si-do aside) of the Final Four run last year, is a senior captain and has and will continue to be a huge part of this team until their last game in March (or April). Who are you kidding? Now is not the time to be bashing him, he has earned that. Is he struggling-yes. Are others-yes. If we bounce back Monday followed by a week to prepare for cuse, we get better fast and wallace bashing goes away. I am as frustrated as anyone, but to sit JWall at this point is crazy.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 9, 2008 23:11:27 GMT -5
HoyaPride, Tyler Crawford is also a senior captain. Should he be starting? He's being about as productive when you account for minutes.
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nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Feb 9, 2008 23:11:33 GMT -5
Last 9 games, JWall shooting 20% from 3, 38% from the floor, and averaging 7 pts.
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Post by hoya21 on Feb 9, 2008 23:13:07 GMT -5
It is not that his shot is off, he seems to not be as agressive. I agree we don't go far with out him, but when your quarterback disappears, never drives to the hoop, and has trouble with a quick guard..... it is time for concern..... I wish he would shoot more, but each game it seems less and less... am going to check the stats..
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Feb 9, 2008 23:13:34 GMT -5
He is a struggling senior captain- he will be back. Save these threads and send them to him when he is cutting down the nets at the Garden. HOYA SAXA - beat nova
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hoyanick
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Post by hoyanick on Feb 9, 2008 23:16:01 GMT -5
Royski, sorry buddy, but Wallace is the type of guy who is likely to cause you, as the author of this thread, major embarassment come March. Last year, during the Big East Tournament, I had the pleasure of *bumping* a "Jeff Green Has No Heart" thread that was started after last year's Duke game.
The typical response to people like me, who say that HoyaTalkers tend to exagerrate and unfairly place blame on student-athletes, is that this is an internet talk board and is, therefore, a place for venting and critical analysis. Thats absolutely true. But its also a place where your harsh comments are stored forever, and can always be referenced at a later, more important time when the games count and our Hoyas come through.
GO HOYAS.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Feb 9, 2008 23:17:32 GMT -5
He is a struggling senior captain- he will be back. Save these threads and send them to him when he is cutting down the nets at the Garden. HOYA SAXA - beat nova they will be out there like groupies wanting to shake his hand. |
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ichirohoya
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Post by ichirohoya on Feb 9, 2008 23:19:25 GMT -5
What good would sitting Wallace do? Is getting him fewer minutes the way to get a shooter out of a slump? I THINK NOT. He'll come around.
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Post by RDF on Feb 9, 2008 23:22:09 GMT -5
Gimme a break. He's played like DUNG in the Big East minus the DePaul game and the First Half of the Cuse game. It's just a "slump" right? Did Hoyas not extend the lead in First Half with Rivers in the game? Or was that a mirage? Is Rivers a great player? No--but he does things without scoring--which Wallace doesn't. Rivers actually gets a rebound and plays defense. What a novel concept for a guard on a team who can't score consistently. It at least keeps you in the game. Blaming Rivers for the turnovers against the press has to be traced to the coaching staff. I've HATED how Hoyas approach pressure defense and tonight was no different. They play scared/passive--and you have to ATTACK. It's awful and it's consistent with how this team has approached things against press. If the staff wants different execution--then take guys out who aren't executing. Too many people on this site watch with their heart and not with their eyes. This team is NOT PLAYING WELL--and this isn't time you want to be playing so inconsistent and without an identity. CBB is all about the guards-and with the way GTown guards are playing as a group--they'll be early exits in BET and NCAA. Can it change? Sure--but we can't wish for it--the kids have to do it. |
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 9, 2008 23:24:30 GMT -5
The time has come. With every passing game, Jon Wallace has played worse and worse and worse. Tonight was his worst game yet. We don't have a final box score, but I believe that he had 5 turnovers and missed 4 threes. That kind of stuff loses games, ESPECIALLY when that "production" is coming from someone who many of us expected to be, along with Roy, a leader of this team. We need to drastically cut Jon's minutes, and give them to Patrick. Pat goes out there and plays his heart out every possession, and unlike Jon, that effort translates into production. With Pat we're better defensively, more fluid, better rebounders and more versatile. With Jon Wallace getting 26 minutes a night of non-production, we're not going anywhere in march. For those of you who say it was fine last year, that's true. But it was last year. Wallace was a better player last year. We also had Jeff Green in the line-up who is a major upgrade over DaJuan Summers defensively and on the glass. Without him, we need Patrick in the line-up as opposed to Jon. I agree. It should be Hibbert, Ewing, Summers in the front court. Sapp and Freeman in the back court. We immediately get bigger, get better rebounding and Summers is playing at 3 and Freeman at 2 which is more of his natural position. |
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 9, 2008 23:25:17 GMT -5
Royski, sorry buddy, but Wallace is the type of guy who is likely to cause you, as the author of this thread, major embarassment come March. Last year, during the Big East Tournament, I had the pleasure of *bumping* a "Jeff Green Has No Heart" thread that was started after last year's Duke game. The typical response to people like me, who say that HoyaTalkers tend to exagerrate and unfairly place blame on student-athletes, is that this is an internet talk board and is, therefore, a place for venting and critical analysis. Thats absolutely true. But its also a place where your harsh comments are stored forever, and can always be referenced at a later, more important time when the games count and our Hoyas come through. GO HOYAS. hoyanick, I want NOTHING more than for Wallace to rub egg all over my face with a gorgeous tournament that propels us to a national championship. I will be DELIGHTED to take full responsibility for this thread and readily admit that I was a fool and JT3 is god. But I just don't see it happening. Trust me, I would never have been so happy to be "embarassed". |
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Post by RDF on Feb 9, 2008 23:25:56 GMT -5
Royski, sorry buddy, but Wallace is the type of guy who is likely to cause you, as the author of this thread, major embarassment come March. Last year, during the Big East Tournament, I had the pleasure of *bumping* a "Jeff Green Has No Heart" thread that was started after last year's Duke game. The typical response to people like me, who say that HoyaTalkers tend to exagerrate and unfairly place blame on student-athletes, is that this is an internet talk board and is, therefore, a place for venting and critical analysis. Thats absolutely true. But its also a place where your harsh comments are stored forever, and can always be referenced at a later, more important time when the games count and our Hoyas come through. GO HOYAS. Fans like this are FULL OF CRAP. Jeff Green STUNK the early part of last year--and how did the team perform? When he got AGGRESSIVE--how did they play? So the people who were on him for being too passive "ate their words" or were they 1000000000% CORRECT IN THE FRIGGIN' FIRST PLACE? Keep dreaming about the "Wallace making people eat their words" while I'm hoping he gets the film, and decides enough is enough and gets after it on the court--you know in terms of actually ADDRESSING the problem with his play--not hoping it goes away in some sort of friggin "SR Dream Movie-like ending". You know 300+ other teams have SENIORS too--and how does their season end? We all want Wallace and Hoyas to do well-it's just some of us want the problem areas addressed--not avoided to keep someone's feelings from being hurt. |
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Post by dchoyafan on Feb 9, 2008 23:26:51 GMT -5
Jon Wallace is not going to sit. Do you know how I know? Because he has the most consecutive starts of any player in D-I. Period.
He is not playing well at all, and I think he needs to cede some of his minutes (having Wright would have been great) but he is in no way going to come off the bench in his G'town career. He needs to fix his shot, though, we just need production from a man who was almost automatic last year and during the beginning of this season too. Ugh. We really need him to step up and play like he can/has. But not sit.
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