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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 16, 2008 13:11:41 GMT -5
I hadn't seen this posted anywhere before. Sorry if it's clutter. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/seth_davis/01/15/hoop.thoughts/1.htmlBill Mettee of Gaitherburg, Md., wants to know: "Is Georgetown's rebounding problem just a matter of the players needing to get after it more, or is there a bigger problem with the way they are 'schemed' by the coaches? I am concerned when they are out rebounded by Rutgers and American, but have a ton of height and athleticism." It is a little surprising to see the Hoyas ranked 10th in the Big East in rebounding margin (+3.1), but there may be a pretty good explanation for that: They never miss! They're ranked first in the league in both field goal percentage and three-point percentage (not to mention in both field goal and three-point percentage defense). They're also fifth in the nation in offensive efficiency. Here's my favorite stat of all: Georgetown has 252 assists on 408 made field goals. That was 82 more assists than their opponents. The larger problem for the Hoyas is their three-point shooting is suspect once they hit the road. In their two losses at Memphis and Pitt, the Hoyas shot a combined 6 for 34 from behind the arc. It's not just the low percentage that bothers me, it's the high number of attempts. As I've said before, the biggest difference between playing at home and on the road is that at home, you can fire up threes, but on the road you've got to take it to the cup. It was also disconcerting to see Pitt's guards slice their way to the basket so often with relative ease. I still believe the Hoyas are a national championship-caliber team, but for most of the season I've considered them solidly on the first tier. After watching them struggle to beat UConn and then lose at Pitt, I'm officially relegating them to the top of the second tier. |
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 16, 2008 13:26:41 GMT -5
And Davis also falls into the trap of thinking that shooting a high percentage is bad for rebounding margin. I don't get why that confuses people.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Jan 16, 2008 13:46:35 GMT -5
i dont think he was differentiating between offensive and defensive. though i will be accused of being negative, his last paragraph sums up my thot exactly which is very depressing. what will i do with my plane tix to san antonio? there is still time to develop weapons and as long as we stay hot from behind the arc we will be tough to beat.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 16, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5
I did a study on the Hoyas two years ago -- exactly the same shooting percentage at home as on the road in BE play.
Seth gives no logic for his home/road change in stratgey.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 16, 2008 16:27:57 GMT -5
Seth gives no logic for his home/road change in stratgey. He'd watched the Pitt game the previous night? That usually passes for "logic". Lots of shortcuts when you have to in theory follow all the good teams in college bball. Also, one tends to resort to platitudes ("I still believe the Hoyas are a national championship caliber team...") and using the question as a jumping off point for several interesting but unrelated topics. The "high number of attempts" vs. Memphis and Pitt (14 and 20)doesn't bother me as much as Seth b/c I know in our two most recent home games we attempted 23 and 23. Long as I still feel we're taking good looks I'm fine with the whole thing, bad nights will happen. Anything's better than the pass-it-around-the-perimeter paralysis of a few years' past. |
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 16, 2008 18:04:27 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused about this quote, too...
"It was also disconcerting to see Pitt's guards slice their way to the basket so often with relative ease."
... Ramon and Benjamin were a combined 5-7 from 2-point range (compared to their 6-12 from three), and at least one of those two-pointers was Benjamin's ridiculous fadeaway from 17' on the baseline.
I think we did a number of things badly on defense (poor D-rebounding and leaving the baseline open would be at the top of my list), but successful "slices to the basket" from Ramon and Benjamin don't ring much of a bell.
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Post by guru on Jan 16, 2008 20:25:41 GMT -5
i dont think he was differentiating between offensive and defensive. though i will be accused of being negative, his last paragraph sums up my thot exactly which is very depressing. what will i do with my plane tix to san antonio? there is still time to develop weapons and as long as we stay hot from behind the arc we will be tough to beat. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. You're always negative. Every time I see that stupid icon of the little twerp pushing a vacuum, I know there's a Debbie Downer of a post on the way. |
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Jan 17, 2008 9:39:22 GMT -5
i dont think he was differentiating between offensive and defensive. though i will be accused of being negative, his last paragraph sums up my thot exactly which is very depressing. what will i do with my plane tix to san antonio? there is still time to develop weapons and as long as we stay hot from behind the arc we will be tough to beat. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. You're always negative. Every time I see that stupid icon of the little twerp pushing a vacuum, I know there's a Debbie Downer of a post on the way. this is not an accusation, its a fact. you are an idiot. your board name speaks volumes about what you think of yourself and your intolerance for other points of view. and im pretty sure its a lawnmower. |
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Post by rccoleon on Jan 17, 2008 10:45:22 GMT -5
fight! fight! fight! fight!
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 17, 2008 11:49:19 GMT -5
excuses excuses our high field goal percent does not explain the other teams killing us on THeir OFFENCSIVE BOARDS unless i just dont understand freaking rebound and win hoyas rebbies and win JUST HUSLTE TO THE BALL AND THINK ANGLES ETC.. beat nd will be toughontheboards.. go hoyas ;D
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 18, 2008 4:47:29 GMT -5
And Davis also falls into the trap of thinking that shooting a high percentage is bad for rebounding margin. I don't get why that confuses people. Thank you Seth! |
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 18, 2008 4:49:21 GMT -5
I did a study on the Hoyas two years ago -- exactly the same shooting percentage at home as on the road in BE play. Seth gives no logic for his home/road change in stratgey. Seth is accurate to the tee...as I and other have been saying these same things...too many 3ssssssssss and no penetrating |
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 18, 2008 4:52:22 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused about this quote, too... "It was also disconcerting to see Pitt's guards slice their way to the basket so often with relative ease." ... Ramon and Benjamin were a combined 5-7 from 2-point range (compared to their 6-12 from three), and at least one of those two-pointers was Benjamin's ridiculous fadeaway from 17' on the baseline. I think we did a number of things badly on defense (poor D-rebounding and leaving the baseline open would be at the top of my list), but successful "slices to the basket" from Ramon and Benjamin don't ring much of a bell. Seth is right...Man, Seth really likes Georgetown...he always says very good things about the Hoyas, almost always, and he also tells the truth because this is one of his best I would assume, so why wouldn't put a lot more study into one of his best teams, if not his best, I don't know, but I do know he like the Hoyas. just my opinion... |
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 18, 2008 4:55:48 GMT -5
It's not an accusation, it's a fact. You're always negative. Every time I see that stupid icon of the little twerp pushing a vacuum, I know there's a Debbie Downer of a post on the way. this is not an accusation, its a fact. you are an idiot. your board name speaks volumes about what you think of yourself and your intolerance for other points of view. and im pretty sure its a lawnmower. Hey Pope you have nothing to prove. Just keep talking basketball as these folks continue to have no meaning to you. Its just a board, some folks hide behind names to show their trueness, so hey take the bitter with sweet and just LYAF cause I'm LMAO... |
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Jan 18, 2008 14:31:19 GMT -5
you gotta stand up to bullies or else they get more and more abusive. that sheep dog is one of the worst on the board.
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