DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2008 14:54:33 GMT -5
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 1, 2008 15:00:16 GMT -5
The idea that the Princeton could take us to a BE championship and Final Four but not the title is obviously asinine. Sort of like the idea that Moneyball works in the regular season, but not the playoffs.
I like how he chooses our last 2 games against elite competition, so that he can leave out UNC.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 1, 2008 15:16:50 GMT -5
The key phrase is: "I've long been suspicious about..."
Which is sportswriter-talk for "screw all that disconfirming evidence!"
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Jan 1, 2008 15:20:47 GMT -5
I too blame Pete Carrill for our inability to grab defensive rebounds in Memphis. Stupid Princeton Defense.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Jan 1, 2008 15:37:35 GMT -5
The omission of the UNC game is really unbelievable -- they were a no. 1 seed, after all. And when we beat the best of the Big East by 20+ points last year, nobody said anything. THe failure to beat OSU came down to two big (defensive) keys -- we couldn't stop Oden without Hibbert, and we just couldn't stop Conley period. The Princeton offfense had nothing to do with that.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 1, 2008 15:43:15 GMT -5
Georgetown needs to look hard at its approach? Mike DeCourcy needs to actually watch the games. Roy had plenty of opportunities to influence the Memphis game and failed to do so. Anyway, that was a loss to be blamed on the defense.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 1, 2008 15:45:35 GMT -5
Any team with three losses in its last 32 games to a conference rival on the road, the #1-ranked team in a National Semi, and on the road to the #2-ranked team in the nation should immediately reconsider its approach.
If you've done worse than this, like 4 losses in your last 32 games or lost at home or something, just shut down the program.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Jan 1, 2008 17:15:06 GMT -5
Georgetown needs to look hard at its approach? Mike DeCourcy needs to actually watch the games. Roy had plenty of opportunities to influence the Memphis game and failed to do so. Anyway, that was a loss to be blamed on the defense. You beat me to it. The loss had nothing to do with offense, and everything to do with two facts: 1) we got killed on the boards; 2) we never adjusted to Douglas-Roberts sneaking over the foul line (behind the guards and in front of the big men) against our 2-3 zone.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2008 17:26:31 GMT -5
By the way, Mr. DeCourcy invites commentary on his thoughts - his email address is listed at the bottom of his column should you desire to interact. Just sayin.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 1, 2008 17:46:35 GMT -5
you mean the same system that took a sub .500 team to the final four in 3 years? yes, no chance at winning a championship at all.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jan 1, 2008 21:12:18 GMT -5
you mean the same system that took a sub .500 team to the final four in 3 years? yes, no chance at winning a championship at all. While I obviously disagree with him, it could be argued that a system which drastically improves a team like this may still not be the right one to take it all the way. I don't think that's the case here, but maybe that is what he's thinking.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 1, 2008 21:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Jan 1, 2008 23:52:33 GMT -5
How many "systems" have won National Titles? I thought PLAYERS won them? If you have great players--it's amazing how good your "system" looks. Here's something for Mike DeCourcy to really think about: 1. If you can put in a "system" that takes you to BE and BET title in same year--and Final Four--and you've got 1 McDonald's All American--and he's a backup reserve---I'd say that "system" is quite effective. 2. When you get beat by a team who is a #1 seed and one that is an eventual #1 seed in the NCAA's--is that not a loss that most of the 300+ other teams would likely lose to as well? 3. If Georgetown wins a National Title--will it be due to the "talent" or the "system" that allows the talent to play as a team--show their game and not just watch as one jerkoff shoots and fires and rest are bricklayers who can't do anything? What an assnine article/statement and this guy shouldn't be writing for anyone outside his local mullet wrapper if he honestly thinks like this. What a RICHARD-head.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 2, 2008 9:39:51 GMT -5
How many "systems" have won National Titles? I thought PLAYERS won them? If you have great players--it's amazing how good your "system" looks. Here's something for Mike DeCourcy to really think about: 1. If you can put in a "system" that takes you to BE and BET title in same year--and Final Four--and you've got 1 McDonald's All American--and he's a backup reserve---I'd say that "system" is quite effective. 2. When you get beat by a team who is a #1 seed and one that is an eventual #1 seed in the NCAA's--is that not a loss that most of the 300+ other teams would likely lose to as well? 3. If Georgetown wins a National Title--will it be due to the "talent" or the "system" that allows the talent to play as a team--show their game and not just watch as one jerkoff shoots and fires and rest are bricklayers who can't do anything? What an assnine article/statement and this guy shouldn't be writing for anyone outside his local mullet wrapper if he honestly thinks like this. What a RICHARD-head. Exactly RDF, all you need is some system and the kids to commit to running that system. Everything else is talent. Because of the 330+ teams in D-1, maybe 10 have the talent to win the title any given year. So DeCourcy might as well be suspicious as to why Samford or Northwestern hasn't won a title with Princeton too. So far exactly one team that runs Princeton has had the talent to win a national title and it was Georgetown in 2006-07. They lost in the Final Four to another team that had enough talent to win it all. Could happen to any "system."
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 2, 2008 10:17:55 GMT -5
Surprised DeCourcy would write such a silly thing.
On another note, I think this year's team will show that we can play a lot of different styles to win basketball games. We're not a one-trick pony.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 2, 2008 11:33:08 GMT -5
Looking to the comments at the bottom of DeCourcy's column, is this our own afalcon10? "I have to agree about the situation at G'Town. If you have Roy Hibbert, you need to tinker with that offense to get him involved. He is not going to be confused with Pat Ewing anytime soon, but he is well over seven feet tall, has pretty good touch in the lane, and is a decent free throw shooter so GET HIM THE D@MNED BALL!!! He is a weapon that stays holstered too often because of the offense. What's the point of having a skilled big guy, if you aren't going to make the effort to feed him the ball?" Link to comment section
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Post by Boz on Jan 2, 2008 12:06:45 GMT -5
You all realize this is a no-win situation, right?
If Georgetown doesn't win a national championship, DeCourcy and other ignorami will continue to insist that it's because of the "system."
Should Georgetown win a title, these same people will write vociferously that the championship was achieved because the Hoyas modified or adjusted the "system."
Best just to ignore them. (or write back to them telling them how stupid they are, sort of a splenetic approach that I find quite cathartic).
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 2, 2008 14:12:02 GMT -5
"splenetic" ?
Maybe the coaches should make the system more "splenetic" since "frenetic" would never do.
Seriously though, the "system" is really just sharing the ball and getting it to the open man, preferably the one with a layup. What's wrong with that?
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Jan 2, 2008 14:39:31 GMT -5
Okay -- below is my email to DeCourcy, with his response above it. ---------------------------------- He's a terrific coach. He also has been an outstanding recruiter. Georgetown has the best talent, 1-9, in college basketball. I do not believe the system elevates that talent. MD
----- Original Message ---- Mike,
Respectfully, I could not disagree more with your assessment of Georgetown's "system". The Hoyas blew out the Big East last year, and then went on to beat Vandy and UNC (a no. 1 seed), with that system.
Georgetown scored enough to beat Memphis. The problem was that we got beat up on the boards, and Chris Douglas-Roberts absolutely killed the soft underbelly of that 2-3 zone. As for Hibbert, the problem wasn't that we couldn't get him the ball, its that he just got outworked by Dorsey. As Jay Bilas noted, the refs pretty much swallowed the whistles all game, and that didn't help, either.
JTIII's system took us from an also-ran to the Final Four in three years. I think he knows what he is doing.
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Post by balla on Jan 2, 2008 14:52:38 GMT -5
While on vacation I was working on my tan. I also noticed how all of the Hoya haters came slithering out after the Memphis game. It is comical if nothing else. A loss to another top 5 team at their place, and it is time to torch the Hilltop(LOL).
The bottom line with this team like most Hoyas have recognized from day one, is DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING and FREE THROW SHOOTING are horrible. The deficiencies are obvious even against lesser teams, but against another top 5 opponent they get exposed and magnified.
The weakness are correctable, but they are beyond frustrating to watch.
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