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Post by vcjack on Oct 31, 2007 12:56:08 GMT -5
Utah looked really legit last night. They have no holes in their game; banged it inside early at their leisure, then bombed away from the mid-range to perimeter later after the Warriors had packed in the zone. Solid defense and team rebounding. Oh, and AK47 was blocking shots at an astounding pace. I'd be very, very nervous about the Jazz if my team was in the West, they have a real shot at grabbing the brass ring this year. Barring injuries, I'd wager they finish third in the West. I begrudgingly have to agree, the Jazz will be one hell of a good team this year. I've always hated the Jazz, I still proudly have a "Return to Sender" sign I taunted Karl Malone with as an 8 year old during MJ's last championship run and now that they've become the central employer of ex-Illini players I have every reason to hope that Jeff will tomahawk dunk all over Boozer's fat ass
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 31, 2007 14:52:38 GMT -5
Why are the Bulls fans on this board so anti-Noah? I understand that he was "the enemy" in college ball, but once they go to the pros those kinds of animosities tend to disappear. Don't get me wrong, you still avidly follow your own, but you don't typically have the disdain for others .... unless, of course they are from Syracuse, in which case we all still carry that disdain to the grave. I haven't yet read all the replies, but I did see vcjack made a good point regarding filling team needs. There was already a logjam at small forward before Noah, and Noah just makes more people expendable. It's kinda like when in college you recruit a player to play a position the year after recruiting a player to play that position. Why draft undersized small forwards with length year after year? It's the same type of misguided fixation that caused the Bulls to repeatedly draft HS kids with "upside" year after year when there were better, proven players available. It just demonstrates a lack of wattage in the front office.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 31, 2007 20:29:12 GMT -5
King James is back to his awesome self again: 0-5 shooting baby!!!
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 31, 2007 21:34:33 GMT -5
Is there interest out there in a Seattle/Denver game thread? Jeff is not starting but they indicate he's ready to go.
On edit: There are sophomores in high school who are physically stronger than Durant. He's a great talent, but he's going to get bodied around this year.
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 1, 2007 14:46:05 GMT -5
I posted some thoughts on the Seattle/Denver game in the Jeff Green NBA thread. I think Denver is gonna have some trouble until they get K-Mart back to playing 30+ minutes a game. Diawara is a great upgrade from Steve Blake. Their second unit can still score points, unfortunately, George Karl still doesn't know what defense is. I still expect Denver, if healthy to finish in the 4-6 slot in the West, because they're just too good offensively. I feel kinda bad for AI, because while they were interviewing him and Melo, it became pretty clear they have no shot with Karl at the helm, but they'll certainly make noise. They'll still get mauled by San Antonio, and probably Dallas and Utah, but as long as they can avoid one of those teams in the first round, they should be able to advance.
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 1, 2007 14:49:36 GMT -5
The Bulls looked pretty awful last night. I know the Nets have that "superstar threesome," but the Nets really are not that good a team. They got some good pieces in place around Jefferson, Carter and Kidd, but I'd bet in a best of seven the Celtics threesome would prevail, and Toronto would probably go seven. Kirk "Captain Foulmachine" Hinrich and crew probably should trade for Kobe if they're content with letting Ben Gordon continue to go 8-25, trading both of them with their contracts and a couple of first round picks is a small future to mortgage to pretend that Kobe is Michael Jordan with all the downside and none of the upside.
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Post by RDF on Nov 1, 2007 16:27:11 GMT -5
The Bulls looked pretty awful last night. I know the Nets have that "superstar threesome," but the Nets really are not that good a team. They got some good pieces in place around Jefferson, Carter and Kidd, but I'd bet in a best of seven the Celtics threesome would prevail, and Toronto would probably go seven. Kirk "Captain Foulmachine" Hinrich and crew probably should trade for Kobe if they're content with letting Ben Gordon continue to go 8-25, trading both of them with their contracts and a couple of first round picks is a small future to mortgage to pretend that Kobe is Michael Jordan with all the downside and none of the upside. Hinrich is a hack-and yet he's lauded for being a "Great defensive player". I've never seen it--but I must have missed about every game of "great defense" he's played. Of course most of the games I watch--he's got 3 fouls by midway through 2nd quarter.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 1, 2007 16:48:18 GMT -5
The Bulls looked pretty awful last night. I know the Nets have that "superstar threesome," but the Nets really are not that good a team. They got some good pieces in place around Jefferson, Carter and Kidd, but I'd bet in a best of seven the Celtics threesome would prevail, and Toronto would probably go seven. Kirk "Captain Foulmachine" Hinrich and crew probably should trade for Kobe if they're content with letting Ben Gordon continue to go 8-25, trading both of them with their contracts and a couple of first round picks is a small future to mortgage to pretend that Kobe is Michael Jordan with all the downside and none of the upside. Hinrich is a hack-and yet he's lauded for being a "Great defensive player". I've never seen it--but I must have missed about every game of "great defense" he's played. Of course most of the games I watch--he's got 3 fouls by midway through 2nd quarter. He's very much so a choker in big games who can't be relied on for a basket, For instance in the last second of the half in the playoff series against Detroit he stole the ball and had an uncontested break for the basket but absloutly f-up the layup I would be very glad if Captain Kirk is moved in a Kobe deal, keep Duhon as the PG and he can be the stud defender/rebounder and let Kobe score
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 2, 2007 14:56:07 GMT -5
I've never understood the Hinrich love either, but he's a midwestern kid on the biggest stage in the midwest, so whatever. I like how Pax came out and adamantly refused the notion of a Kobe trade happening, or parting with the core of the team, but the reality is the Bulls org consumated the Kobe trade when they shipped Elton Brand out for Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler. They'll never have a future as an elite team until they unwind that trade by bringing in Kobe.
It's kinda sad, it's a lose-lose for the Bulls. If they don't trade for Kobe, they can never reclaim that elite superstar mystique that will make them anything more than a good, but not good enough team. If they do trade for Kobe, there's no guarantee that he will rise to that level on the downslope of his career, and though the Bulls would likely get better draft picks with Kobe than without him, they probably would have traded them anyway.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 6, 2007 23:04:11 GMT -5
Did Denver not learn anything from last season? First they lose at home to New Orleans and now they drop one to the Knicks. When will they get serious?
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Post by RDF on Nov 7, 2007 0:20:45 GMT -5
Did Denver not learn anything from last season? First they lose at home to New Orleans and now they drop one to the Knicks. When will they get serious? Never. These guys don't understand the mentality it takes to win or compete for a title--they think you can "turn it on" and the way they tank home games is proof they'll never win as long as that attitude is in place.
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Post by kghoya on Nov 7, 2007 10:49:48 GMT -5
Did Denver not learn anything from last season? First they lose at home to New Orleans and now they drop one to the Knicks. When will they get serious? Never. These guys don't understand the mentality it takes to win or compete for a title--they think you can "turn it on" and the way they tank home games is proof they'll never win as long as that attitude is in place. the knicks game was horrible to watch - i almost had to mute breen and frazier thats two games the nuggets have just given away now...this could be a tough road trip
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Post by hifigator on Nov 7, 2007 11:54:55 GMT -5
vc, we finally found some common ground. I am not a Jazz fan in the slightest ... at least of the team. I like some of the music, but I digress. Seriously, I was strongly rooting against the Lakers after they got Malone because I can't stand that prima dona clown. He is a whiner, who has always gotten more than his share of calls, yet complains more than anyone else on the ones that he doesn't get. I appreciated John Stockton at the time, but I could never pull for them because of Karl. As if I needed any more reason to dislike him, I remember reading about the Olympics being in Salt Lake City and he was chosen as one of the many to carry the Olympic torch. His response was to complain that his stretch was out in the desert somewhere. He thought he should be the one to carry it into the city limits but that honor went to a kid in a wheelchair. His response was to decide he wouldn't carry it at all then. Classy ... real classy.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 7, 2007 21:01:02 GMT -5
77-38 at the half.
Celtics over the Nuggets.
You gotta be kidding.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 7, 2007 22:10:56 GMT -5
absolute beat down
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Post by hifigator on Nov 8, 2007 14:29:34 GMT -5
Celtics, Pistons and ..... the Clippers? are the only remaining undefeated teams only 3 or 4 games into the season. Celtics and Pistons I can see. But LA's stepchild ... in the so competitive Western Conference no less ....
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 8, 2007 14:43:44 GMT -5
I'm trying not to get to wrapped up in the results to date because I don't know that they're really statistically significant (other than maybe Arenas' and Hinrich's negative plus/minus and negative production), and am trying to wait until maybe January when there is a body of work on which to judge, but you can never go wrong judging George Karl's teams' lack of defensive discipline. At least AI didn't embarass himself.
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Post by kghoya on Nov 13, 2007 7:38:11 GMT -5
jr smith is mr november...
he had more points and more three's last night than he will have in the entire postseason combined
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 14, 2007 14:02:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you were looking at the same news piece, but Marbury also threatened to blackmail Thomas. "Upon hearing that he would back up second-year guard Mardy Collins, Marbury marched toward the front of the plane to meet with Thomas. Five minutes later, an enraged Marbury told his teammates that if he wasn't starting he wouldn't suit up for the game. But it was something else Marbury said that stunned his teammates in the back of the luxury plane. "Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know." It is unclear if Marbury made the same threat directly to Thomas, whose first big move as team president was trading for Marbury. But clearly, the Marbury-Thomas war is officially underway and it promises to get uglier. Early yesterday, Marbury and a friend boarded a plane and returned to New York. Marbury, 30, could conceivably fly to Los Angeles today and rejoin the Knicks for tonight's game against the Clippers. Marbury faces a fine and suspension for every game he misses. " tinyurl.com/369bk8
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Post by vcjack on Nov 14, 2007 18:07:55 GMT -5
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