hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 30, 2007 20:37:06 GMT -5
Oh, my. I remember when Dick was really good, back in the days when he did UCLA football and basketball and Rams football. Unlike Chris Roberts, the guy who does the Bruin games now, who stinks.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 3, 2007 23:44:50 GMT -5
Ravens' defense gets jobbed by the Ravens' bench....
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 3, 2007 23:49:22 GMT -5
they should also give an immediate bonus to the offensive lineman that jumped before the snap on that second 4th down...plus that last hold call was questionable...
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Dec 3, 2007 23:50:19 GMT -5
Wow. That was such a bizarre end to the game. I really don't think the Ravens got screwed by the refs (only by the bench, yeah), but boy, how many times can fate intervene for the Patriots? Wow. By the way, why did the Ravens stop running it up the gut in the 4th quarter? McGahee (former Bill...I always point out former standout Bills, because there are a lot on a lot of teams) was a beast.
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Post by Jack on Dec 3, 2007 23:59:30 GMT -5
Garbage sandwich game by Pats receivers- so many balls off their hands. Also very poor tackling on McGahee, but that is actually nothing new with this team. Overall, incredibly fortunate to come out with a W.
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Post by RDF on Dec 4, 2007 0:46:26 GMT -5
I wish Junior Seau would get injured again--he not only is washed up--he is the biggest mouth on the team and has had nothing to do with past success. Just Shut up and play you old piece of crap--seeing him out there for so many reps reminded me of how much Colvin will be missed.
I didn't get to see the 4th down play AFTER the timeout because ESPN picture blacked out on my tv--which is typical of ESPN. Will someone take MNF from them or at least get rid of Tirico and Kornheiser?
The holding in endzone was a cheap call--but the game was lost on Boller's INT and Reed's fumble of his INT return. You get a FG on either possession--tie game--you get a FG on both--you win.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 4, 2007 7:47:49 GMT -5
RDF: the defender saddled his man up and held him from the line of scrimmage until he tried to make a cut - over 8 yards. It was right in front of the ref. How was that a cheap call?
First game where Brady has had multiple receivers drop balls on their hands, two in the endzone.
Pats linebacker tackling was horrible, but as Jack says that is nothing new. The Ravens O-line beat up the Pats D-line for the most part and the Pats linebackers need their line to keep those linemen off them to be successful. RDF, your love for Seau is well known, but wishing injury on a player? That's cold.
Mr. Tony gave himself a hernia rooting for the Ravens last night. Mr. Jaworski was strangely silent about the commotion he caused mid-week with his comments about Moss that Brady slammed.
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Post by TigerHoya on Dec 4, 2007 9:10:31 GMT -5
some of the Ravens were complaining that the ref on that call near the end call a Ravens player "boy."
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Dec 4, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -5
I always point out former standout Bills, because there are a lot on a lot of teams... Name me three. I'll even spot you Pat Williams. And McGahee doesn't count. He was SICK last night, but he's still the same old overrated Willis, choosing to show up when he wants too, playing three or four inspired games a year, and dogging it for the rest. The guy has a ton of talent, and makes so little out of it. Based on his rep, the way he talks about himself... and considering the number of carries he has, the guy should have 1300 yards by now. Instead, he's got five or six typical stinkers with a few very good games sprinkled in. EDIT: Am I the only one who found it a bit creepy how much Tirico was fawning over Brady and (most of all) repeatedly calling him "Tom" like they were friends? Must you always bait the only other Bills fan on the board into a Editeding contest? Are you bitter that you aren't the only one? Just wondering. Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield. Eric Moulds, Willis McGahee (yup...he was a standout Bill, or didn't you notice?), Travis Henry (was a standout Bill before this whole drug thing). Some are getting old, but these are all standout Bills who, like most standout Bills, moved on in free agency.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Dec 4, 2007 9:15:51 GMT -5
Mr. Tony gave himself a hernia rooting for the Ravens last night. Mr. Jaworski was strangely silent about the commotion he caused mid-week with his comments about Moss that Brady slammed. And how about all the time they gave to Shula? Was I the only one who thought that started to verge on inappropriate?
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Post by Boz on Dec 4, 2007 9:47:39 GMT -5
OK, first for the Ravens...
First, I am surprised Rex Ryan made it out of the locker room alive. It wouldn't have shocked me to find out that Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bart Scott & Corey Ivey gave him a blanket party after the game.
Second, as Jaws pointed out, you have to play a perfect game to beat the Pats. The Ravens didn't do that. Reed's turnover and Boller's INT were killers and the Ravens should have gotten points on both of those drives.
On the other hand....
Give me a break, Dan. That holding call was borderline at best. And I don't think Pats fans should be holding officials to the letter of the law when it comes to defensive back coverage, given what they get away with on a regular basis. That was game, set, match Ravens and the refs took it away. What you call "saddling up" is also called "great blanket coverage" on many, many other instances.
Moreover, no one will ever convince me that Gaffney controlled that ball before he went out of bounds on the final TD. No way, no how. (Of course, the Pats would've had first and goal at the one had it been overturned, so they would've scored anyway most likely, but it was still the wrong call).
Finally, a second "give me a break" to Randy Moss. Did I really hear you say that talking during the game and showboating is "not how Belichick raises his players"? You didn't really just say that, did you? Do you remember who you are? And I think the Patriots were doing just as much jawing as any Ravens throughout the game (Rodney Harrison, anyone?)
The Patriots are a grat team and they found a way to win. Congratulations to them, but I think they know they were indescribably fortunate to do so. If I am the Colts, Steelers or other AFC playoff teams, though, I think I'm looking at that team a lot differently after the last couple of weeks and I'm pretty encouraged going into the playoffs about my chances against them. (Particularly the Steelers, who can bring a lot of heat and execute the same game plan the Ravens did, but better...I guess we'll see next week, or two weeks, or whenever it is they play).
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 4, 2007 10:28:19 GMT -5
Boz - blaming that game on refs calls is loser talk. I'd give you the call IF the Ravens defender had not jerked Watson by the shoulder pads as he tried to make his cut. I do have to give Billick props for blowing three kisses to Rodney Harrison however - classic. As for the Gaffney call, it looked to me that he was pulling the ball with his left hand into his right. The key was that the ball appeared to be always in contact with his hands. The other key was that the play was ruled a catch and there was not enough on the replay to overturn it. But then, I am as biased about that play as all you Kornheisers out there.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 4, 2007 10:34:08 GMT -5
Dan = Homer
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 4, 2007 11:26:34 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty physical game and the holding call seemed out of line with the rest of the way the game was called. It was like an umpire not giving a low strike all game and then on a full count, bases loaded in the ninth, punching someone out on a pitch right below the knee.
I would like to see another replay though - last night I was just watching the guy they called it on, who I didn't think was doing much. An article today indicated that there was holding, but they called it on the wrong guy/number. Even with Baltimore's mistakes (mainly, the turnovers by Reed and Boller), I think the game came down to Baltimore's second to last possession. Nice 7 yard gain on 1st down, and then they can't pick up 3 yards on 2nd and 3rd downs. A first down there and Baltimore isn't acting like whiny bitches last night/this morning...
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 4, 2007 12:17:45 GMT -5
Put a lot of thought into that one, didn't you Brasky? I'm only a homer when it comes to the Hoyas. I actually agree with Hoopsmccan that the refs were very inconsistent in how they called the game last night. For instance, how about when Derrick Mason tackled Asante Samuel as he tried to jump up to deflect the pass on the last play of the game? Where was the flag there? Ref calls in the defensive backfield in the NFL this year have been wildly inconsistent. The Ravens do come over like a bunch of whiny babies this morning though.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 4, 2007 12:37:42 GMT -5
"Unsportsmanlike Conduct, #57, defense. 15 yards"
"Unsportsmanlike Conduct, #57, defense, throwing a referee's flag into the stands, 15 yards"
Classic.
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Post by Boz on Dec 4, 2007 12:46:48 GMT -5
So, if complaining about the officials is loser talk nad makes one a whiny little bitch, what does that make Pats fans -- and players --who complain about the officials when they're winning games? Whining when you lose is one thing; whining when you win is just bad form.
No question that Derrick Mason should have been called for interference, I'll grant you that. (Maybe the refs were trying to give Baltimore a make-up call). Are you telling me that the entire Patriots organization and fan base wouldn't have been howling about that this morning had Mark Clayton scored? Of course you would have.
So don't blame Ravens fans for complaining about an equally bad call -- two of them, in fact -- at the other end of the field. You would have been screaming bloody murder had it gone the other way.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 4, 2007 13:20:22 GMT -5
I have no beef with Ravens fans complaining about calls - that is part of what makes sports fun. I just wonder if any of them have actually posted in this thread yet. For the record, I disagree about that pass interference call. After watching it several times on my DVR reply, I think it was a correct call. I do have a problem with all the Ravens' whining in the locker room afterwards. Make the plays, don't blame it on someone else. Several of the comments, specifically those about the referees 'wanting the Patriots to win' were ridiculous.
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Post by RDF on Dec 4, 2007 13:31:14 GMT -5
Gaffney play was close--if they ruled it incomplete--I believe call would've stood--but since they ruled it a TD--it stood--and can see where it could've been overturned--I've seen less movement overruled.
Junior Seau is the veteran trying to saddle up to a great team to claim a ring-fine. I have no problem with that. However--when he conducts more interviews with media to talk about the "greatness of Patriots" I'm disgusted. He's won how many titles as a Patriot? He contributes little to this team--in fact his presence is a weakness--that will only continue to be exposed as season continues--due to his increase in playing time. I hate people who act like they know what championships are about--when they've NEVER WON ANYTHING. (Charles Barkley-aka Mike Wilbon's mistress) If he went down with injury--fine by me, I'd rather see players out there who contribute and make the team better or rather see him shut up--go drink his "full cup of gatorade" he always talks about as he trashes past teams/teammates he was with.
Holding call was BS on Watson--guys get away with more during the game and you call that? Corey Ivy's call earlier in game was also cheap--he reached out and grabbed Welker--and released him--you have to let people play and as a fan who likes Pats--Ty Law got away with more then what Ravens got called on them.
You could argue that on the play that set up Ravens first TD--the Boller to Darling pass on 3rd down that Boller was hit in head by Adalius Thomas--and should've received 15 for a "Blow to head"--and if that was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Favre--it would've been called-it was Boller and wasn't--and ESPN was too busy talking about Mike Greenburg's new TV show to point that out. Would Bart Scott have gotten 15 if he did to Belichick what Harrison did to Billick? That is where the inconsistency of officiating comes into focus from fans point of view-and I understand it--seperate it from other fans. I like to see teams I support win titles--not go undefeated--that is highly unlikely--and the way the Pats are playing right now--I don't see it happening--they are starting to get tight/play tight against some bad teams. Odds are all of the breaks won't continue and there is still 7 games to go if you want to accomplish the ultimate goal--so might as well get that loss out of the way now--rather then win all 16--and lose in Playoffs and have entire year be a failure.
As for ESPN--why was Don Shula there? Did they fly him up to simply talk about the undefeated bullcrap? Did Ravens honor him? I hate the FORCED booth talks and we're all watching a fine game, tied into the 4th quarter and you have to see booth shots and hear bullcrap that has nothing to do with game. It would be like watching the Final Four-Hoyas tied with Duke with 4 minutes left and bringing in someone to talk with Vitale about Duke's 2020 recruiting class. (oh wait--that already happens on ESPN--nevermind)
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 4, 2007 14:08:36 GMT -5
I don't like Billick much, but did you hear him complaining about any of the calls? He was more upset, and rightly so, about his team shooting itself in the foot with plays like Boller's interception and other penalties.
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