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Post by hifigator on Mar 22, 2007 16:47:27 GMT -5
Incidentally Tbird, the message boards are like that once a year down here in the south: National Signing Day. It is not unusual to have ten to fifteen thousand members logged on that February morning.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 22, 2007 16:55:11 GMT -5
At what point does the underpaid coach of the Sweet 16 team, the one at the Catholic school with poor facilities, start getting mentioned?
JT III takes the Hoyas to the Final Four, and look out. Michigan, Iowa, and Kentucky seem to be opening up - big state schools willing to give seven figure a year guaranteed contracts.
At the least, JT III isn't going to stay a Georgetown just for the sake of rebuilding his father's program to glory.
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Post by Filo on Mar 22, 2007 17:00:41 GMT -5
Well, that took even longer than expected -- second page before JTIII and his paltry salary and GU's terrible facilities were mentioned. Let's give him some credit - he is building something here, and is not going anywhere just yet. In a year or two, if the salary hasn't gone up and the facilities are not on the path to improvement? Well, we can all begin fretting then...
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 22, 2007 17:11:20 GMT -5
Well, that took even longer than expected -- second page before JTIII and his paltry salary and GU's terrible facilities were mentioned. Let's give him some credit - he is building something here, and is not going anywhere just yet. In a year or two, if the salary hasn't gone up and the facilities are not on the path to improvement? Well, we can all begin fretting then... I'd like to think that too, but frankly we should begin fretting now IMO. That's not to say that I think he's leaving or anything. But when you look at the kind of money III's getting vs. the type of money these programs are going to be offering, we SHOULD be very afraid. And that fear ought to inspire us to do something. Because you just never know; and once it happens, it's happened, and we're stuck back where we were 5 or 7 years ago, and we can't undo it. |
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Mar 22, 2007 17:45:21 GMT -5
My view on Tubby is that he's a great coach but a terrible recruiter. He never really had the best talent, it seemed, at Kentucky, but they would always overachieve (Patrick Sparks comes to mind). If he wasn't able to recruit well at KY, I don't see how he's going to make a dent for the Goph's. Probably should have tried to jump to Michigan, where it might be easier to get the recruiting going.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 22, 2007 20:04:52 GMT -5
Katz mentioned JTIII as a possible candidate for the job
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Post by Locker on Mar 22, 2007 20:16:05 GMT -5
Pat Forde, who seems pretty plugged in at UK, mentions JT3 as well in his article. They would be idiots not to consider him.
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Post by mit0313 on Mar 22, 2007 20:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 22, 2007 20:50:16 GMT -5
Am I the only one that feels kinda queasy right now?  |
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 22, 2007 20:59:16 GMT -5
Kentucky fans want the ghost of Adolph Rupp to coach the team.
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Post by lexkyhoya on Mar 22, 2007 21:04:16 GMT -5
guys can i just say local news is not reporting Crean whatsoever. Lots of names, but Crean isn't one of them Donovan was reported as being interviewed at the conclusion of the tourney. Trust me, the Big Blue nation here in Lexington is buzzing big time.
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Post by lexkyhoya on Mar 22, 2007 21:10:03 GMT -5
nevermind just saw the news break for the 10:00 news and Crean was mentioned
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Mar 22, 2007 22:00:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one that feels kinda queasy right now? No, I am too. My sister went to grad school at UK, and if they take JTIII, I'll have to break both of her knees in retribution. Some call it inappropriate; I call it playing hardball. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 22, 2007 22:27:10 GMT -5
If we lose III, they lose me as a fan. Losing III would be worse than the Eshrick eror and show an utter lack of committment to the program. There was a gut check three years ago when the administration decided that they wanted to make bsaketball relevant again - now we need to put out money where out mouth is and pay to keep him here. Give the guy a new bus, send the team to Europe, give him a plane, give him an arena, whatever the man wants give it to him. NOW.
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Post by vcjack on Mar 22, 2007 22:45:57 GMT -5
would it be over the top to start a petition directed towards the administration to give JTIII a raise?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 22, 2007 22:48:23 GMT -5
I don't know that the administration committed to making hoops relevant again as much as they were forced to make a change. Unfortunately, personnel is currently our administration's responsibility, and we haven't seen much effort from Healy since JT3 was hired.
Sure, we can talk about improvements -- good GUHoyas website, more promotions, etc., but that does not cover up the macro-level shortcomings of the administration in terms of coming to terms with the need for new facilities instead of reviews thereof, the need to throw money into coaches' salaries, etc. Instead, we have seen an "everyone for himself" approach, and the administration wanting the programs to be financially self-sufficient.
Whenever our offseason comes, our HoyaTalk community needs to mobilize again with letters, we need the Hoya to get behind it, etc. so these issues are paid more than lip service.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 22, 2007 22:48:40 GMT -5
would it be over the top to start a petition directed towards the administration to give JTIII a raise? I don't think so. I think a petition to give him a raise and do whatever it takes to keep him is what the petition should be for. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 22, 2007 23:06:37 GMT -5
In all seriousness, John Pelfrey should be on the short list for sure. He played at Ky. and has been successful as an assistant coach here at UF and now as the head coach at South Alabama. I would think that unless they were to land some giant name, like Pitino returning or something, that they might turn to a younger coach with KY ties. Yea, Pelphrey is great, which is why I want him to stay at South Alabama...at least until he gets the Jags a win in the NCAA tournament. Then he can go on to greener pastures. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 23, 2007 0:00:36 GMT -5
If we lose III, they lose me as a fan. Losing III would be worse than the Eshrick eror and show an utter lack of committment to the program. There was a gut check three years ago when the administration decided that they wanted to make bsaketball relevant again - now we need to put out money where out mouth is and pay to keep him here. Give the guy a new bus, send the team to Europe, give him a plane, give him an arena, whatever the man wants give it to him. NOW. If JTIII left for UK, I don't think I would blame the administration. It's not a "give III what he wants NOW and he stays" type of situation. UK has more financial resources to give III whatever he wants, and many people would say UK has a richer basketball tradition than GU. I hope Coach stays as much as you do, and I hope he does get a raise if he does. But if he leaves, there will probably be factors in his decision for which the admin cannot be blamed. |
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Post by RDF on Mar 23, 2007 0:05:36 GMT -5
Tubby Smith got what he deserved. He took a program that was built to be on cruise control and at least get to Sweet 16 and ruined it with crappy recruiting, changing the way they played, and ignoring what made the program strong to begin with--uptempo, open court basketball. He replaced it with plodding, post players, not much shooting, and underachieving. Remember he had the #1 seed in NCAA tournament and got blown out by Marquette--the same Marquette team that was down by 50 in National Semifinal against Kansas --who then lost to Cuse for title.
Tubby plays boring basketball, is a good coach--but to change what Pitino built--he won with Pitino's players/style his first year, he was an idiot to do that. He'll be perfect for Minnesota--big name, draw people, win just enough to have them think they can do something--and then he'll be ready to retire by the time they figure out how overrated he is as a coach.
III is home--Georgetown is home and as long as the school makes an effort to keep him--why leave? If he was going to leave for a job like Kentucky--think the Assistants might follow him--Kentucky would pay them as well as Binghamton for certain.
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