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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 24, 2006 0:14:14 GMT -5
Why are we wasting time talking about McNabb and the Eagles? The real NFC East threats are playing tonight... The Eagles will win this division, likely by at least two games. Dallas is going to implode soon, and the Giants aren't anywhere near as good as the Eagles. Yes, they won that game in Week 2, but if you honestly believe for one second that the Giants were the better team on the field, then my friend, let's hope no drug-sniffing dogs happen to pass you on the street. FACT: The Eagles are 4-3. ALSO FACT: The Eagles have trailed with :01 remaining in the fourth quarter of ZERO games this season. I know..."SCOREBOARD!"...but still, it warrants mentioning. Big prediction there. While we're throwing out facts, here are some more: FACT: The Eagles wins have come against the Texans, 49ers, Packers, and Cowboys (their only semi-legitimate win). That's not exactly anything to be proud of. FACT: Sure the 62 yard FG was flukish, but it shouldn't have even gotten that far. Struggling to beat a horrendous Tampa team, and then not even doing it at all isn't an accomplishment either. FACT: "Better teams" don't blow 17 point leads at home. There's no such thing as a moral victory in the NFL, unless you're the Raiders or Cardinals. Giants were the better team against the Colts on opening night, and it doesn't mean squat. W's and L's, that's all that matters. FACT: The Giants have already won at Philly and at Dallas (easily their two hardest divisional games). Unless you think the Eagles are going 12-4, there's no way you're beating us by 2 games. And even then, that might not happen. FACT: The Giants didn't need a color-blind Drew Bledsoe to barely survive. At home. Giants are taking this division. They basically own most, if not all the tiebreakers already, plus they've gotten past the ridiculously tough part of their schedule at 4-2. At the beginning of the year, if you had given them those opening 6 games and asked them to go 4-2, I would have taken it 99 times out of 100. At Seattle, Philly, Dallas, and Atlanta combined with a home game against Indy? You're absolutely delusional if you think your "wins" against the bottom of the league somehow prove the Eagles are legit, much less heads and shoulders above the Giants.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 24, 2006 0:35:40 GMT -5
RDF, again, where are you seeing all this media praise of McNabb?
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Post by RDF on Oct 24, 2006 0:57:48 GMT -5
RDF, again, where are you seeing all this media praise of McNabb? Did you watch the Fox/CBS/NBC/ESPN recaps that just focused on the FG and mentioned "McNabb did what he could to win the game" and "Eagles problems are that Donovan is on the sideline watching at the end--they need to get him the ball back"--which was accurate in discussing the New Orleans game--but not this one--that is pure bullcrap--he sucked Sunday and cost his team the game--everyone focuses on the last play but the 17-21 pts he costs his team kill you in a 2 pt defeat. Guy has had an MVP start and definately is the best QB in NFC right now--but this game wasn't well played by him and media just chose to ignore it. Heck the AP writer even mentioned the "valiant comeback" spearheaded by McNabb and these people act like players are supposed to quit--these are Pros--well those who aren't from the University of Florida and tank at any sign of pressure that is --so what are they supposed to do? Quit?
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Post by Elvado on Oct 24, 2006 9:26:49 GMT -5
Amen. Amen. Amen. Soupy the Salesman tosses away the game in the first half and then his lunch in the second and Brian Baldinger spends the entire 4th quarter fellating him for being gutsy. We sure saw his guts, on the 50 yd line. He's out of shape. 350 pound linemen don't blow in the heat, but Tubby does.
It should have been 3 picks for scores in the first half, but Buckhalter saved his backside on the one Boldin picked.
His throw to LJ Smith at the end of the first half is a mistake not made in Pee wee football, let alone by the gutsy, MVP type leader of the NFL's gold standard franchise.
He's a loser because he played for Boeheim. End of story.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Oct 24, 2006 10:22:21 GMT -5
Second, when only one team is ahead of you (by a half game no less) in the standings, you are in second place. I know they don't stress math in the SFS but geez... I meant for at the end of the season. I can do basic arithmetic thanks. Third at BEST.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 24, 2006 15:39:52 GMT -5
The Eagles will win this division, likely by at least two games. Dallas is going to implode soon, and the Giants aren't anywhere near as good as the Eagles. Yes, they won that game in Week 2, but if you honestly believe for one second that the Giants were the better team on the field, then my friend, let's hope no drug-sniffing dogs happen to pass you on the street. FACT: The Eagles are 4-3. ALSO FACT: The Eagles have trailed with :01 remaining in the fourth quarter of ZERO games this season. I know..."SCOREBOARD!"...but still, it warrants mentioning. Big prediction there. While we're throwing out facts, here are some more: FACT: The Eagles wins have come against the Texans, 49ers, Packers, and Cowboys (their only semi-legitimate win). That's not exactly anything to be proud of. FACT: Sure the 62 yard FG was flukish, but it shouldn't have even gotten that far. Struggling to beat a horrendous Tampa team, and then not even doing it at all isn't an accomplishment either. FACT: "Better teams" don't blow 17 point leads at home. There's no such thing as a moral victory in the NFL, unless you're the Raiders or Cardinals. Giants were the better team against the Colts on opening night, and it doesn't mean squat. W's and L's, that's all that matters. FACT: The Giants have already won at Philly and at Dallas (easily their two hardest divisional games). Unless you think the Eagles are going 12-4, there's no way you're beating us by 2 games. And even then, that might not happen. FACT: The Giants didn't need a color-blind Drew Bledsoe to barely survive. At home. Giants are taking this division. They basically own most, if not all the tiebreakers already, plus they've gotten past the ridiculously tough part of their schedule at 4-2. At the beginning of the year, if you had given them those opening 6 games and asked them to go 4-2, I would have taken it 99 times out of 100. At Seattle, Philly, Dallas, and Atlanta combined with a home game against Indy? You're absolutely delusional if you think your "wins" against the bottom of the league somehow prove the Eagles are legit, much less heads and shoulders above the Giants. I think you are right on. I am not a Giant fan by any means, but they are certainly for real. And as you mention, to go through their first six games and come out 4-2 is very commendable. I think they have the right mix of talented veterans like Tiki, Toomer etc... and developing stars like Eli and Shockey. I don't like Shockey at all for instance, but he is a player for sure. Don't they have Plaxico Burress as well? I know he hasn't reached his full poetential if you believe the hype, but I think he can be an all-star if he really puts his mind to it. Lastly, having played 4 of their six games on the road is only going to play into their hands even more. As the weather gets nasty, they will have an especially greater home field advantage at the meadowlands. I really like their chances for the playoffs and even a first week bye, although I think the Bears are the team to beat with regard to home-field throughout the playoffs.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 6, 2006 16:59:30 GMT -5
HiFi, your comments were somewhat prophetic two weeks ago. The only difference is, now we'll actually have a chance to play them for home-field throughout. So, now if the Giants go 4-4 the rest of the way, what do the Eagles have to do to win by "at least 2 games?"
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Post by hifigator on Nov 6, 2006 17:30:01 GMT -5
HiFi, your comments were somewhat prophetic two weeks ago. The only difference is, now we'll actually have a chance to play them for home-field throughout. So, now if the Giants go 4-4 the rest of the way, what do the Eagles have to do to win by "at least 2 games?" Good point and I must take my punishment there. No way in hell did I see Miami beating the Bears at Soldier Filed, especially by such a one sided margin. But like many have pointed out, the Bears are a very schizophrenic team that had escaped by the skin of their teeth a couple of times already. On the other hand they also had a couple of games where they were absolutely world beaters. But then again, I think they came against the Jets and the Niners. Truly the verdict is still out. I give the Giants the edge this Sunday. It shold be a fairly low scoring affair, but I would be surprised if the Bears can pull it out in the Meadowlands.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 6, 2006 18:20:31 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how it plays out, since both sides are pretty banged up. Urlacher got hurt yesterday, and Berrian is already being ruled out for a few weeks. As for the Giants, Strahan is out for a few weeks now too, and Osi is still questionable for next weekend. Drafting Kiwanuka with a 1st round pick turned out not to be such a bad idea after all. Also, Plax has been battling back issues, and our offense seemed very stagnant especially when Toomer had to sit out a series with a minor injury. I think we'll have an edge on Sunday, but by the slightest of margins, and only because we are at home.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Dec 26, 2006 19:15:45 GMT -5
HiFi, your comments were somewhat prophetic two weeks ago. The only difference is, now we'll actually have a chance to play them for home-field throughout. So, now if the Giants go 4-4 the rest of the way, what do the Eagles have to do to win by "at least 2 games?" I am a total "Editedbag" for bringing this back now, but to answer your question, to beat the Giants by two games they would just have to win four in a row while the Giants somehow lose six of seven. So maybe I was off in that the Eagles will not win the division by two games, but they could win it by one, they could win it by tiebreak, or they could be the fifth seed in the playoffs. They could also finish three games ahead of the Giants instead of two. Maybe I sold them short. I am (clearly) a McNabb guy, but I will give Jeff Garcia all the credit in the world for the job he's done. He has avoided making mistakes and has kept the team in a position to win games. Brian Westbrook has proven that hey, he CAN withstand 20+ carries per game and still be a top back in this league. His Pro Bowl snub is an outrage...name a better combined rushing/receiving threat not named LaDainian Tomlinson...you can't do it (the jury is still out on Reggie Bush, though). But the true reason behind the Eagles' surge is the defense. They're getting to the quarterback, they're forcing turnovers, and they're TACKLING people. Since I'm "delusional" I have no fear in saying this...no team in the NFC scares me. They've already dismantled Dallas and New York. They've beaten Carolina and Green Bay. Seattle is struggling. They essentially beat the Saints in the Superdome already. Rex Grossman will inevitably kill the Bears at some point. The conference is ripe for the taking, and the Eagles are peaking at the right time. Just like another Pennsylvania team did last season.
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Post by RDF on Dec 26, 2006 20:32:54 GMT -5
Congrats Joe--and this only backs my distaste of McNabb and how overrated he truly is--so congrats and also makes me smile knowing how "fun" things will get next year when Fats McNabb will be "Back under center" and venom from Philly fans will be unleashed.
You are right to be proud of Eagles.
You are right being confident in them in NFC
You are WRONG comparing this to Pittsburgh a year ago--they were an AFC team--the real conference, not the NFC which is bad.
Fact is it was typical of an Eagle team to perform well with no pressure--they do well in that scenario--they don't do well when expectations are set upon them and they'll likely do what Philly teams do best--choke in Postseason. I could see them losing their opener to awful Giant team--if they don't gag against a bad Falcon team--that sums up the NFC more then Eagles winning streak.
But enjoy the win, the steak, and Brian Dawkins--my pick for NFC's best Defensive Player this year-he was beyond outstanding and should get a lot of Defensive Player of Year votes as well.
Good luck against Falcons, and Playoffs and I'll be sitting back and enjoying all of this too--as McNabb can't be given credit for anything--he's only watching as someone who has some leadership ability leads Eagles. However this "Garcia Lovefest" reminds me of the Brad Johnson lovefest last year and if he does get a starting job next year--it'll be a complete disaster. He's a good backup and crappy starting QB which will be exposed in Postseason at some point--hopefully for Joe in the Super Bowl, but don't see that happening.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 26, 2006 21:36:51 GMT -5
HiFi, your comments were somewhat prophetic two weeks ago. The only difference is, now we'll actually have a chance to play them for home-field throughout. So, now if the Giants go 4-4 the rest of the way, what do the Eagles have to do to win by "at least 2 games?" I am a total "Editedbag" for bringing this back now, but to answer your question, to beat the Giants by two games they would just have to win four in a row while the Giants somehow lose six of seven. So maybe I was off in that the Eagles will not win the division by two games, but they could win it by one, they could win it by tiebreak, or they could be the fifth seed in the playoffs. They could also finish three games ahead of the Giants instead of two. Maybe I sold them short. I am (clearly) a McNabb guy, but I will give Jeff Garcia all the credit in the world for the job he's done. He has avoided making mistakes and has kept the team in a position to win games. Brian Westbrook has proven that hey, he CAN withstand 20+ carries per game and still be a top back in this league. His Pro Bowl snub is an outrage...name a better combined rushing/receiving threat not named LaDainian Tomlinson...you can't do it (the jury is still out on Reggie Bush, though). But the true reason behind the Eagles' surge is the defense. They're getting to the quarterback, they're forcing turnovers, and they're TACKLING people. Since I'm "delusional" I have no fear in saying this...no team in the NFC scares me. They've already dismantled Dallas and New York. They've beaten Carolina and Green Bay. Seattle is struggling. They essentially beat the Saints in the Superdome already. Rex Grossman will inevitably kill the Bears at some point. The conference is ripe for the taking, and the Eagles are peaking at the right time. Just like another Pennsylvania team did last season. I'll take the hit. I said what I said and I meant it at the time. The Giants collapse is nothing short of epic proportions, considering how they have lost games (up 21-0 vs. the Titans with 10 minutes to go, a 4th quarter lead blown against you guys two weeks ago, bonehead decision to kick a long FG by Coughlin vs. the Bears, and terrible clock management and coverage in the final minute against the Cowboys). Granted, I never said that I believed the Giants would definitely win the division at the beginning of the year (I thought Dallas would, personally), but to lose some of the games that we have lost this year the way we have (Tennessee especially) has just been ridiculous. It's like I'm reliving Esherick ball again through a football team. The Eagles deserve all the credit in the world for putting together an extended winning streak, mostly on the road, no less. And to answer your question about dual running/receiving threats, I would take Steven Jackson over Westbrook. That's an easy one.
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Post by Filo on Dec 27, 2006 0:08:14 GMT -5
Tom Coughlin is so over-his-head it is not even funny. Bring back Ray Handley.
Yes the NFC is WEAK.
The Eagles would not have done as well as they have if McNabb was playing.
Westbrook is one of the few Eagles I like.** But I assume you aren't counting Tiki as a "combined rushing /receiving threat"?
** Are they still pumping and preening after every frickin' tackle and reception?
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Post by Joe Hoya on Dec 27, 2006 16:21:58 GMT -5
Hey, when you drop balls and miss tackles like they did until Week 13, doing your job is such a rare occurrence that celebration is, in fact, in order. It doesn't matter who was under center, McNabb, Garcia, Feeley, Detmer, you or I - this streak begins and ends with the defense. Everyone is quick to crap on the NFC...maybe the conference is just so good it beats itself up, leaving everyone with poor records? Okay I don't believe that either. But I read somewhere, and it could be true, that whoever wins the NFC (and yes, SOMEONE has to win the NFC) will basically beat two or three flawed teams to get there. The AFC champ will have two or three full-on battles to fight before the Super Bowl. Everyone says the Western Conference is far superior to the Eastern Conference in the NBA. Where did two of the last three champs come from? Yes, apples and oranges...but we won't know until February. Until then, I am enjoying the ride. And giving Cowboy, Giant, and Redskin fans the finger out the window as the train goes by.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 27, 2006 17:55:20 GMT -5
ah the little brother in the nfc east getting all pumped up over making the playoffs...the rest of the division actually knows how to win the super bowl...good luck joining the club in '07 buddy
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Post by Filo on Dec 27, 2006 20:33:31 GMT -5
Until then, I am enjoying the ride. And giving Cowboy, Giant, and Redskin fans the finger out the window as the train goes by. I won't begrudge you that. I would be doing the same but, alas, as a Giants fan, those opportunities (with conviction) are few and far between.
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