TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Jun 2, 2006 11:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 2, 2006 12:43:34 GMT -5
One of the most dispicable things I've ever seen happened during a soccer game between Zenit St. Petersburg and CSKA Moscow. CSKA has a few African or black players from South America. One of them was subbed in around the 65th minute in the left striker position in CSKA's 4-4-2. Around the 70th minute he received a cross and was well offsides. This did not stop the Zenit half back from tackling him dirtily from behind. The tackle broke the CKSA player's leg. The people in my section who had been hooting like monkeys everytime he got the ball yelled with approval. As the ambulance was coming to get the player off of the field (play had stopped and the Zenit player - Gorshkov for RusskyHoya's knowledge was awarded a yellow). It was April in St. Petersburg so the fans tried to pelt him with snowballs while he was rolling around in pain. Unfortunately racism is alive and well in Europe and in European soccer - it is a shame that the issue is only starting to be addressed by UEFA in 2006.
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Post by TigerHoya on Jun 2, 2006 12:48:13 GMT -5
We had two black girls in the exchange group (People to People) I went to Russia with in 1992. From what I saw they didn't have anybody try to rub the color off their skin like they'd be warned might happen (like the Shoshones did with the one guy in the Lewis & Clark expedition) and there were no overt acts of racism, but they got stares alot of places. Not as much in Moscow, Riga or St. Petersburg as in small towns like Sergiev Possad (formerly Zagorsk) and Tver.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2006 13:01:14 GMT -5
There was an excellent piece on racism in European soccer on "Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel" a few months ago. Interviewed Theirry Henry (sp), a few other players who had BUSHELS of bananas thrown at them whenever they touched the ball, other victims of racist behavior...
... frightening stuff like this is still going on in "civilized" nations on that grand a scale. Hope they have it under control for the World Cup.
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Post by miamihoya on Jun 2, 2006 13:13:16 GMT -5
Its definatly something that unfortunatley will probably be an issue during the world cup. The US team is probably most likely to bear the brunt of taunts and racial slurs from the European crowds, but its something they are going to have to accept and hopefully let it fuel them toward victory.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2006 7:50:24 GMT -5
Its definatly something that unfortunatley will probably be an issue during the world cup. The US team is probably most likely to bear the brunt of taunts and racial slurs from the European crowds, but its something they are going to have to accept and hopefully let it fuel them toward victory. Good point, Miami. And I'll tell you what... ... any sort of Edited-poor behavior like that directed towards Team USA (and I'm not just talking about boos and jeers, I'm talking monkey taunts, throwing bananas, or any other way-over-the-line behavior) will only fuel casual soccer/football fans like myself to rally around the team and add their support (of course, I am a sucker for just about any international competition... Olympics, World Cup, various World Championships, etc... so that has something to do with it, too). |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 4, 2006 10:07:10 GMT -5
Hell, the black USA players heard racial taunts from Mexican fans a few years back. This happens everywhere.
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Post by miamihoya on Jun 4, 2006 13:41:13 GMT -5
If i remember correctly, one of the last times the US played at el Azteca (mexicos stadium), many fans sported Osama bin Ladin masks and were taunting the team by making references to 9/11 and such...totally tasteless behavior, yet I wouldnt be suprised is confronted by similar behavior by equally anti-American crowds in Germany.
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Post by FLHoya on Jun 4, 2006 15:40:47 GMT -5
If i remember correctly, one of the last times the US played at el Azteca (mexicos stadium), many fans sported Osama bin Ladin masks and were taunting the team by making references to 9/11 and such...totally tasteless behavior, yet I wouldnt be suprised is confronted by similar behavior by equally anti-American crowds in Germany. I think the more famous case of this was during the 2004 Olympic Qualifier in Mexico (which the U.S. lost) where the anthem jeering and "Osama!" chants were in full force. I was watching one of those "Outside the Lines"-type feature stories on Sportscenter this morning, in which Jeremy Schapp interviewed Sepp Blatter about what FIFA is going to do about racism during this WC. From what I gathered, the FIFA was going to only assess penalties based on what players and coaches did this WC, rather than the fans...the explanation they gave for why fan behavior wasn't going to be sanctioned under these guidelines was (I'm not kidding) that FIFA was afraid fans would jeer/racially taunt their own team in hopes of drawing sanctions against their opponent. Hopefully the nationalistic/racist stuff from players only rises to the level of that really stupid South Korean speed skating goal celebration during the SoKo-USA match in 2002. Oooooooooohhhhh, SNAP!! Apollo Anton Ohno just got SERVED, YO! |
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Post by SEAHoya on Jun 6, 2006 12:29:04 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd be pretty surprised if there was any large scale racism at any of these matches for the simple reason that the crowds are going to be a lot different that what you'd get at your average European club match, or even your average international fixture. Considering some ridiculous % of the tickets actually went to the sponsors I think there should be a pretty good mix of spectators. Of course, despite all the measures they've taken, what with names on ticekts and ID checks, goodness knows where those tickets will end up...
I too think it's pretty sad that this is only now becoming an issue for FIFA and I would argue that it is mostly due to prominent players such as Eto'o and Henry being more vocal about the subject.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 7, 2006 8:56:40 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd be pretty surprised if there was any large scale racism at any of these matches for the simple reason that the crowds are going to be a lot different that what you'd get at your average European club match, or even your average international fixture. Considering some ridiculous % of the tickets actually went to the sponsors I think there should be a pretty good mix of spectators. Of course, despite all the measures they've taken, what with names on ticekts and ID checks, goodness knows where those tickets will end up... I too think it's pretty sad that this is only now becoming an issue for FIFA and I would argue that it is mostly due to prominent players such as Eto'o and Henry being more vocal about the subject. I agree - I think that the atmosphere for these games will be more like a UEFA or Champions League final - very good soccer being played, lots of sponsors on hand, and not played in any team's home city and usually less intense rivalries (discounting things like Greece playing Turkey or Israel playing Iran). |
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 8, 2006 9:35:07 GMT -5
My little cousin plays soccer for a squad from New York. (Her team was actually down here in a tourney in Potomac a few weeks ago.)
She gets the racial taunts and slurs when she's playing up there. She just rolls with the punches these days because it's been happening for almost 10 years now.
It's disappointing that stuff like this still goes on. I know this type of treatment is a shock to most of the non-American Black people playing over there, but this is the real world, fellas. This is just the way things are.
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Post by miamihoya on Jun 8, 2006 11:50:12 GMT -5
I dont think it's South Americans so much that are shocked by it. Believe it or not, Racism is just as common and obscene in South America as it is in Europe and other places. Nonetheless, players should not be expected to just learn to live with it and move on. The only way it will change and fans will stop engaging in such classless behavior is if FIFA starts to take the issue seriously and imposes fines of clubs and the FANS who do it. I believe a couple years ago an Italian team (i think it was Inter Milan, but i may be mistaken) had to play a home game in front of an empty stadium following an incident with fans making monkey chants. Thats the only way to punish these fans: take away what they love most. Its similiar to what I thought David Stern should of done at the Palace of Auburn Hills following the infamous brawl. Shut down the arena for a couple of days, and fans will start checking their behavior and antics.
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 8, 2006 12:32:28 GMT -5
Soccer games just give people a venue to show their racism. If these players didn't face it on the field, they'd face it somewhere.
Are we expecting people to live with this type of treatment? No...
But they should accept that this is a part of our society. Black Americans (Including S. Americans), realized this, and most are use to dealing with this. This type of treatment is new to a lot of the European Blacks, and they're going to have to get use to the idea that they're going to be treated like this and make some decisions.
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