Favre "Lovefest" Sickening

[RDF]

What's with the slurp jobs this overrated bumpkin continues to get from announcers?? The guy is terrible and while he's playing on a team that is banged up, it speaks to nothing about his poor work ethic and effort. He didn't work in offseason, his mechanics are awful, and he's a terrible decision maker--but always has been in my opinion. For the comments Terry Bradshaw made today about him being the "best ever" I spit up Christmas dinner in laughter. This guy isn't even the best QB of his generation and never was. Was he fun to watch? Yeah. But he's a rube and plays like it every Sunday and you see what that "Style" of play gets you. Especially when you consider he played in a Super Bowl won by a Kick Returner and against a team whose Head Coach (Parcells) was disinterested in as he brokered his next coaching gig from his Hotel Room in New Orleans.

Favre is the greatest bumpkin, rube QB of all time. He's a moron who plays like a kid in backyard and makes decisions that most HS QB's wouldn't make, but it's "good ole Brett", so criticism is ignored. Call it as you see it and when you think of him as "Greatest" just realize that Drew Bledsoe now surpassed him in comeback wins in 4th quarter--and is he seen in same light despite same stats?? 1 ring, 1 Super Bowl Loss and Bledsoe didn't have nearly the team that Favre did. I'm NOT saying Bledsoe should be an "all timer" but laugh at how the pedestal for Brett is so high we see grown men and professional analysts IGNORE the fact he's in the lower tier of QB's at this time and one of the more overrated players to play. When you throw 8-10 passes that should be picked PER GAME, you are not helping the team. When you have to "get it out" and tank a quarter as he'd do when younger--referring to fact it took him an entire quarter to "Settle down" that's crappy QB play. Fun to watch, yes, overrated, DEFINATELY.

Guess I'm not into the slurp jobs that Bradshaw and other lovers of the RUBE are into. Give me a Tom Brady today or Joe Montana of yesterday and take all of the Favre's you want. Hell I'd take Aikman, over Favre not to mention the greatness of Elway and Marino--who in his prime was special. Favre was and still is very overhyped and overrated and the lovefest was sickening.

[TBird41]

Bingo RDF.

Case in point: Farve's stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid pass 5 yds past the line of scrimmage in the playoffs last year against the Vikes. Any other QB and the announcers likely call the QB out for a play that cost them a shot at a TD. Farve does it and it's "he's having so much fun". Whatever. Farve is the only person who can rival Jeter and Duke for sheer amount of announcer love.

[RDF]

I still point to the play against Eagles in Playoffs and even worse in OVERTIME where he did his "bumpkin" pass and lost game for his team. If Kyle Boller did that, they'd want him to quit playing football. Since it's "Brett" it's just "trying to make it happen as a gunslinger".

The point you make about Jeter and Duke is understandable in regard to media slurp jobs, BUT those two aren't comparble to Favre. Favre is more like a bad Of in Baseball with a strong arm, or a basketball player who hit a few game ending shots but his 10 turnovers led to reason why game was close to begin with. Jeter is more like Troy Aikman--he's good, not as good as the hype, but efficient and smart, which helps team win and make them a consistent threat for Championship as he masters little things and doesn't hurt you with his play--it's steady.

Favre's mechanics are so bad it's not even funny. His "streak' of toughness is great, but that means what? WINNING STREAKS are all that matter in sports and to me playing everyday can hurt your team if you aren't capable of playing at a high level. I thought about Ripken and think that of Favre. Would you rather sit some games and win Championships or play everyday and lose? Respect those accomplishments but they mean what in scope of importance to team goal?

I watch Favre play and he's Aaron Brooks-like and yet gets credit for it and his legend grows to the point he's RENO HIGHTOWER from Best Of Times where Kurt Russell's HS heroics at QB have grown so grossly out of context, it's ongoing joke--His 3 TD's in a game turned into "8" by end of Movie.

Let me ask this question--who has better mechanics at QB right now--Favre or Uncle Rico from Napolean Dynamite? Bradshaw looked as if he wanted to cry during the highlights of Favre and let his own opinion and like of Favre get in way of being intelligent about "greatest QB of all time" statement.

[DanMcQ]

Chill, RDF. They're just having the wake before Favre announces the funeral.

;D

[MCIGuy]

It always amused me that the same sports writers who would got on Iverson about not being smart with the ball and about all of his turnovers would overlook the fact that Favre took chances with the ball that the Great Ones never would. Favre would just throw it up there at times and see who got it. Years would go by and he would never learn his lesson it seemed.

Now granted Favre has won a championship, Iverson hasn't. Favre's Packers also has a higher winning percentage than Iverson's Sixers. But football is a game that one player, even a quarterback, doesn't have to be burdened with the responsibility that a go-to guy on an NBA roster has.

Maybe its because football is a sport for which journalists give its players the benefit of the doubt for being true team players. Maybe Favre's character is just that much better than IVerson's. But other than that you can't tell me that Favre hasn't been as a raw and at times wild athlete who needed to hone and tone down his game.

[RockawayHoya]

I still remember reading an old issue of SI at my cousin's house over Thanksgiving... early 90's. I believe it was Mel Kiper Jr. (seriously, who has a more useless job than that guy?) who wrote that Brett Favre would "never amount to anything as a QB in the NFL because he throws every pass like he's trying to take somebody's head off." Actually not too far off by Kiper, and Favre has been better than just an average QB. But I agree with the sentiments here; he's been given way too much credit by the media, and how they have continued to celebrate him the last few weeks despite his mistakes is sickening indeed.

I would disagree with the Jeter/Duke comparisons. Jeter's has been the leader of 4 world championship teams, and has consistently played well in the clutch. And as much as we hate Duke, their track record is nothing but excellence the past 15-20 years. Favre has won one SB, and astutely pointed out by RDF that he didn't play the most major role in helping to win it.

[CTHoya08]

Number two all time in completions, passing yards, passing touchdowns. Eight trips to the Pro Bowl. Went to two Superbowls, won one. Three MVP awards.

Yeah, this guy has had a terrible career.

I agree that Favre is finished and is not a good NFL quarterback right now, but it's ridiculous to act as if he hasn't done anything to deserve the respect of commentators and others. Also, I don't think this has anything to do with Allen Iverson. I know this is a Georgetown board, but I doubt that the football announcers who look the other way when Favre throws an ugly pick are the same basketball announcers that criticize Iverson for making a turnover.

[RDF]

cthoya08 said:

Number two all time in completions, passing yards, passing touchdowns. Eight trips to the Pro Bowl. Went to two Superbowls, won one. Three MVP awards.

Yeah, this guy has had a terrible career.

I agree that Favre is finished and is not a good NFL quarterback right now, but it's ridiculous to act as if he hasn't done anything to deserve the respect of commentators and others. Also, I don't think this has anything to do with Allen Iverson. I know this is a Georgetown board, but I doubt that the football announcers who look the other way when Favre throws an ugly pick are the same basketball announcers that criticize Iverson for making a turnover.

Don't EVER bring up the Pro Bowl when referring to NFL football--it's the most useless friggin thing in the world. Ty Law, Larry Allen, Roy Williams, and Michael Vick made the damn team for God's sake--and it's like this EVERY year.

As for Favre/Iverson comparison, I think it's interesting but I dont' think you need to look there--look at other Qb's who make bad decisions and kill their teams--Aaron Brooks--who also has lazy mechanics and throws crap up for grabs--he gets villified for it and Favre celebrated for it.

All I have to say is that watching tonight's game and hearing of Tom Brady's obsession over his mechanics and then watching the "Bumpkin" do his thing--it's no wonder why more Championships have tilted toward Brady and Favre was only able to capture one with a very talented GB team in Early/Mid '90's. Nobody is saying he was bad--but the slurp jobs and praise are BEYOND what is warranted for this guy's play/production. Could be argued he was better while being a drunk, addicted to pain killers but I will stay above the belt here, ;D

[FormerHoya]

It isn't below the belt if it's true. He WAS better on painkillers.

While I agree that he stinks this year, I saw too many Bears teams beaten by Favre (and the others around him, but man, the dagger always seemed to come from Favre) to say that he's always stunk...

[GIGAFAN99]

If the media likes you as a qb, you're set. Joe Namath is the biggest recipient of media hype. One media moment, one SB win, and four billion interceptions later Joe is still heralded by the hype machine. His best pass was at Suzy Kolber.

Favre was a good quarterback, I don't want to say he wasn't, but the "I don't fear anyone like Brett Favre in the fourth quarter" is crazy.

And I'm glad someone brought up Bledsoe. Mr. Crest Whitestrips Tom Brady replaces him in the 2000 season and here comes the big story. Brady gets injured and Bledsoe replaces him the AFC title game, and I thought "here's a great story, Bledsoe comes off the bench cold and leads the team to victory as a back-up." Not a peep. Too wowed by Tom Brady's Scientologist grin, Bledsoe got no credit and still gets no credit as a starter.

If they love you, you're the man and that makes your career as a qb. If they don't like you, success is credited to the team where it should be anyway.

[TBird41]

rdf said:

Nobody is saying he was bad--but the slurp jobs and praise are BEYOND what is warranted for this guy's play/production.

And that is why I compared him to Jeter and Duke. They both deserve praise, they just don't deserve the massive amount of "slurp jobs and praise".

[RockawayHoya]

tbird41 said:

rdf said:

Nobody is saying he was bad--but the slurp jobs and praise are BEYOND what is warranted for this guy's play/production.

And that is why I compared him to Jeter and Duke. They both deserve praise, they just don't deserve the massive amount of "slurp jobs and praise".

That would the equivalent of Duke going 19-13 one year as a 11th seed in the tournament or Jeter batting .250 and still giving them accolades. They're not comparable.

[Joe Hoya]

I saw the title of this thread and didn't even have to look and see who started it.

[TBird41]

I'm probably not being clear--Farve got more "slurp jobs and praise" then he deserved when he was winning MVP awards, the same as Jeter and Duke. When Jeter hits his decline phase, announcers are going to be doing the same thing with him as they are w/ Farve. And I can't believe that anyone is disagreeing with me about Duke getting too many "slurp jobs and praise".

Farve, Jeter and Duke are the three media darlings of the last decade. Who else gets more attention?

[RDF]

T-Bird, I get what you are saying--just think Jeter has shown better play over longer period of time and think most look at personalities when having tougher time comparing but understand your point completely.

No argument here on Duke getting over the top hype blown up their rear, but it's hard to compare a team to a player. Now choose any individual Duke player and you've got a great comparison. ;D

Joe--have to admit at least I'm an equal opportunity basher--don't limit it to one area--just like to see people take an honest assessment and one of the reasons I respect Aikman when calling a Dallas game--he'll be honest and not blow smoke up Cowboys butts. Just report the game and talk of performance--not past, whos' a "Great guy", etc....

[RockawayHoya]

Agree with RDF. Jeter might get too much hype when he is declining, but as for right now, the two aren't comparable. Professional sports is all about championships; you win them, you get pub. Favre has 1 championship. Jeter has 4. You win 4 championships, especially in a 5 year span, the pub is warranted. Same goes for the recent Patriot teams, the MJ-led Bulls teams of the '90s, whatever. The media talks plenty about guys like Tom Brady, but I never have a problem with it. He deserves it. There is a large difference between winning 1 title and multiple titles. Duke has multiple titles too (albeit distanced from each other), and honestly I could care less if they're talked about a lot during college basketball shows. I just get irritated when they are mentioned in a completely unrelated situation; such as a random Oklahoma-Villanova game. It'd be the same as a random SS like Cesar Izturis making a great play in the hole and the commentators some nonsense like "he's displaying a love for the game like Derek Jeter." Basically the same thing as RDF's comment (comparing individual vs. team). Big difference.

To answer your question about who has received more unwarranted hype in the past decade, here it is: Peyton Manning. No rings, not even one Super Bowl appearance, ridiculous offensive nucleus which has been intact for years... I've got more respect for Favre, at least he's won one.

And RDF, I like Aikman as well, but Moose Johnston, god what a homer.

[Joe Hoya]

rockawayhoya said:

To answer your question about who has received more unwarranted hype in the past decade, here it is: Peyton Manning.

I would like to nominate Michael Vick.

No Super Bowl rings, no Super Bowl appearances, no real proof of his ability to play quarterback. He is a running back who goes 12-27 for 130 yards when he takes direct snaps.

At least Donovan McNabb has reached a Super Bowl ;D

[RDF]

Joe, to back what you said I'll share this note on "Vick Experience" or nightmare as I prefer to call it. Buddy of mine is a Cowboy fan and was saying "Will Atlanta go all out to beat Carolina" in reference of Dallas needing help with a Carolina/Washington loss. I said you better hope not-- because you'd rather have Schaub playing QB then Vick and if they go "all out" Vick will go out there and stink up the joint.

Schaub is better than Vick now and will be better in future--but will Falcons have balls to do something about keeping Schaub??