SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2005 12:27:12 GMT -5
I think the most interesting coaching move of the game was when nothing was working, III went to any lineup that might work, culminating in a Green-Wallace-Hibbert-Crawford-Reed lineup.
Now that may make some cringe, and he certainly didn't stick with it for very long, but Ray came up with some big boards (and turnovers) and Tyler gave some decent minutes.
I just like the fact that when we're playing well, the players stay on the floor. And when we're not, Thompson tries something else.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 12:47:49 GMT -5
Also, I think with the fact that his Father was a legend and his mentor/coach was legend as well as the offense he is trying to implement, it was overlooked that JTIII is a good head coach. He doesn't get excited over victories and he is ticked off when we lose. Always the teacher during the game, and willing to try anything that works. I love his attitude. He is as demanding as his father, but not as demonstrative about it.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 12, 2005 13:15:57 GMT -5
Seems like III has made it a point to get Crawford into the last several games if only for a minute or so. Might be sending a message to Tyler to keep plugging in practice and your time may come.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 12, 2005 13:19:50 GMT -5
This is something that is going almost unnoticed it seems and it's a great point SF. Everyone talks about our lack of depth, but JTIII knows that and he's working in a few guys to buy us minutes.
Ray Reed will have to get some minutes. I know that his turnovers double on this board the day after a game, and his big rebounds are automatically reduced to zero but Ray can contribute something as long as he doesn't try to do too much.
Tyler is athletic and tenacious. If someone needs a breather, we'll see him for a few minutes. He's tentative on offense but he's strong enough to play D for sure.
This is another advantage of the Princeton system. Because possessions are limited, Crawford or Reed will not cost you a game with inexperience as easily as they could running and gunning.
Hopefully we get our other sub back, but if Ramell can't play, he can't play. It's just another part of a long, tough Hoya journey for Ross.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 13:28:54 GMT -5
Good point GIGA. He is trying to work them in slowly. III is picking his spots when he can, because there is going to be a time when they are forced to play (foul-outs,etc.) and he doesn't want them to be shell shocked.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jan 12, 2005 13:33:42 GMT -5
I thought originally that the lack of depth we showed in the Pitt game would come back to hurt us in the end. Well, Im glad I've been proven wrong since then. I think that the current 9-man rotation (once we get Ramell back) will prove to be a very solid mix of young and old, with the 4 freshmen and then the 4 upperclassmen. Tyler played well last night, with a lot of fire and some good solid D - and Ray, no matter how much the people on this board or the people who sit behind us in the young alumni section hate him, played very well last night. Some huge boards, some good ball movement - there was one play when he made a good pass idea in the paint when he thought Jeff should have cut (granted, it was a turnover, but it wasnt a bad pass). And one of his turnovers was ludicrous - the foot on the baseline call. Add to that Ramell's overall talent and DJ's rebith over the past few games, and the squad is looking like quite a tough matchup for 'Cuse this week and BC next.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 13:35:48 GMT -5
For some strange reason, no matter what our record is, we always match-up with well Syracuse. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We have good team to face in Villanova this weekend.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 12, 2005 13:53:33 GMT -5
With the offense so out of sync, and Rutgers hitting a few shots, JTIII put Reed and Crawford in for defense. Crawford came in after Douby had hit two threes and harrassed him into a turnover or two. Douby did hit a shot and draw a foul after Crawford had trouble getting through a baseline screen, but Crawford really made him work for his touches and his shot. When Crawford came out, I noticed Sydney Johnson congratulating him and talking with him. Johnson was a great defender at Princeton and made a career in Italy and Spain defending the best scoring guard on the opposition.
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Post by FOTP on Jan 12, 2005 14:21:09 GMT -5
How can you say Reed's TOs doubled on the board? I just checked the box score and it says 4. In 11 minutes.
Nice rebounds though...everyone really worked hard on the boards. That was probably the real difference in the game.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 14:28:46 GMT -5
I see the president of the Ray Reed Fan Club, FTOP is at it again. ;D
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 12, 2005 14:34:28 GMT -5
Many people who saw the game actually commented, like Sox, that Ray played a pretty solid game.
By the way, the "turnovers doubled" and "boards reduced to zero" are exagerrations. But as Sox said, all turnovers are not created equal and two of Ray's were not dumb tos but a bad call and a miscommunication on a pass that comes with playing more in the offense, which he needs to do to be a viable sub.
Also I've read this one too much "four turnovers and not much more from Ray" like his three huge boards just didn't occur. That's not fair to Ray especially when, as you say, that work on the boards was the difference last night.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 14:46:47 GMT -5
I think the wrongful angst directed at Ray Reed stems from a message board favorite and former teammate of Ray's that was around his same size and that played the same position Ray did last year for the hoyas. I think some felt this person was a better basketball player than Ray, and he should still be on the team playing Ray's minutes. So whenever Ray is getting playing time, they feel this person should still be here, and thus they tend to lash out their fustrations by saying things about Ray Reed's play during the game. Contrary to these "erroneous notions", Ray Reed has improved this year. He is more under control, and is playing within the team concept. Remember last year, Ray was like a fish out of water. He went everywhere with the basketball. I think JTIII and his coaching staff have a lot to do with Ray's improvement. I think Ray will be a great contributor in the future for this team.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 12, 2005 14:53:36 GMT -5
That former teammate is now 8th in NAIA in free throws (86.8%) and 9th in assists (5.79 apg).
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 14:56:31 GMT -5
LOL. NAIA, thats like the division III level of the NCAA, right? I just want to make sure.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2005 15:13:20 GMT -5
I think that the substitutions work this way:
Defense: Crawford, Reed
Size: Hibbert
Shooting: Ross
Winning by over 20 or severe fowl trouble: Izzo, Sed, Cornelio, Fan of the Game
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2005 15:16:10 GMT -5
More like over 40, for Fan of the Game.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2005 15:18:44 GMT -5
I think the wrongful angst directed at Ray Reed stems from a message board favorite and former teammate of Ray's that was around his same size and that played the same position Ray did last year for the hoyas. I think some felt this person was a better basketball player than Ray, and he should still be on the team playing Ray's minutes. So whenever Ray is getting playing time, they feel this person should still be here, and thus they tend to lash out their fustrations by saying things about Ray Reed's play during the game. Contrary to these "erroneous notions", Ray Reed has improved this year. He is more under control, and is playing within the team concept. Remember last year, Ray was like a fish out of water. He went everywhere with the basketball. I think JTIII and his coaching staff have a lot to do with Ray's improvement. I think Ray will be a great contributor in the future for this team. I think the angst with Ray Reed has everything to do with high turnover numbers, poor shooting % and a tendency to look out of control and absolutely nothing to do with Matt Causey. And I'm a Ray Reed supporter.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Jan 12, 2005 15:20:59 GMT -5
We observe differently on Reed, so I won't argue too much. It's human nature for us both to be defensive of our original opinions. I very well may watch the games with tainted glasses and only see the bad. Others may only see the good. Still others probably haven't seen him play at all but saw a nice box score from the Hawaii games. It's not worth arguing and when I bring it up now it's more of a joke than anything.
It's not that I don't want him to succeed, I really do...he's a Hoya. And regardless of how I perceive him, he's all we have on the bench, so there's not much point in putting him down; he's not taking minutes away from someone who would be more productive. The whole argument started when someone commented on how well he had been playing because of his statistics and I disagreed based on my observation and that led to a disagreement on whether he was a "Big East caliber player". But I don't want it to come off as if I don't want him to do well. III has seen and will see fit to use him or not use him in Big East games as needed and I trust that III will do the best thing for this Hoya squad.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Jan 12, 2005 15:22:33 GMT -5
More like over 40, for Fan of the Game. When I last talked to III he said I should probably red-shirt again this year. Man, that's 13 years in a row!
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2005 18:48:21 GMT -5
FOTG, I'm just glad you didn't transfer with Drew and Tony or with Matt Causey - I hope you're adapting to the new offense well.
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