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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 13:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 13:14:42 GMT -5
Drudge:
In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.]
The Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 12, 2004 13:35:20 GMT -5
Drudge: In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.] The Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT. I am going to reserve comment until this matter is vetted through non-partisan media and await any news stories that come out of it. Right now, CNN and MSNBC are not running anything on it on their websites, so we'll have to wait and see. Drudge's piece does not have any details, so I won't condemn the Senator at this time because none of us has any knowledge of what may or may not have happened. |
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Feb 12, 2004 13:35:26 GMT -5
rush limbaugh reports that it would ironic if the clinton folks leaked this to get clark back in the race.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Feb 12, 2004 13:40:22 GMT -5
good source (friend at major news magazine) says that drudge didn't get details b/c the major story is coming in print form.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 12, 2004 13:40:48 GMT -5
...or Hillary, for that matter...
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 13:41:12 GMT -5
makes perfect sense to me that Dean says he is staying in past Wisconsin- which had previously baffled me. i think this is the real deal. Drudge might be partisan, but his reputaion for breaking things early is non-partisan- and he is all over this story. he would be more reserved if it were less than solid.
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Post by showcase on Feb 12, 2004 13:44:18 GMT -5
In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.]
Someone apparently needs a refresher on what the words "off-the-record" mean.
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Post by Badger Hoya on Feb 12, 2004 13:46:16 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't think Dean could recapture any of the momentum he had before -- intern or not.
That being said, this has the potential to shift the balance to the other electable candidate that's in the race - Edwards... who also said he'd stay in the race until Super Tuesday.
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 13:49:36 GMT -5
I still think Dean is toast too- it just is the only thing that explains his Wisconsin shift to me. This is probably not even enough to push edwards through- but it is, if true, enough to end his honeymoon period- which should have gone on for several more weeks if not
months. That could be a big blow.
The timing on this could not be more perfect for Bush. It puts Kerry on the defensive and ends his momentum big time, taking light off Bush at same time.
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 13:55:01 GMT -5
good source (friend at major news magazine) says that drudge didn't get details b/c the major story is coming in print form. Drudge doesn't do details- he does scoops. That is why I always find it curious when people write off Drudge as a partisan news source. He may be partisan- but he is not a news source. He is a source of sources- whose bread and butter is breaking things just before anyone else- which demands that he be bi-partisan in his selection. Details always follow in some true news source. he is really a vulture- and a very effective one that I take as a great resource. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 12, 2004 14:02:12 GMT -5
I still think Dean is toast too- it just is the only thing that explains his Wisconsin shift to me. This is probably not even enough to push edwards through- but it is, if true, enough to end his honeymoon period- which should have gone on for several more weeks if not months. That could be a big blow. The timing on this could not be more perfect for Bush. It puts Kerry on the defensive and ends his momentum big time, taking light off Bush at same time. This whole situation does not make much sense to me. Apparently, this story is very much coming from Chris Lehane, of the former Clark campaign, not Rove or the trash diggers in the White House. Why would Lehane put this out there? Worse, why would Clark drop out if Lehane knew what he allegedly knows about Kerry? Anyway, it favors Edwards, not Dean for the reasons that you state. I wonder if Hillary is going to jump in, given the ties that Lehane has to the previous Administration. Again, I also urge caution because none of the details are known at this point, so I am not going to comment on Kerry in particular other than to comment on how this may affect the election, if not the primaries. I also urge others to remember that the undoing of Clinton, if one could be pinpointed, was in his misleading Americans about his extra-marital affairs and, not, in his having extra-marital affairs themselves. |
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 14:07:08 GMT -5
Kerry allready had issues looking like a family guy. Not the kind of crap I vote on- but it sure is in the the rust belt that a Mass Lib would have to sweep. He evidently divorced his first wife while she was in the middle of a suicidal depression. This one is a euro heiress that only took kerry's name recently because of the campaign. I don't think these are salient issues per se, but poiltically speaking, well, they are and we all know it. The Mass patrician with two heiress wives doesn't play well in Ohio, PA, Ia, In, etc. Kerry might be viable without the South- but then he needs to dominate the mid west. So he already was going to have family image issues against George and Laura on the ranch if you catch my meaning. Bush's biggest marital skelton? Laura told him she might leave him if he didn't stop drinking. He did- full stop. That was a hell of an accomplishment I wish some people would credit him with once or twice. I have had alcohol adicts in my family and any of you who have, know that beating it as quickly as he appears to have is extremely rare and demands unreal discipline.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 12, 2004 14:08:53 GMT -5
It was the lying that did Clinton in, but there are plenty of other national pols that have suffered tremendously because of "personal indiscretions" (or is it "personnel" indiscretions?). Gary Hart, Bob Livingston, and plenty of others have nosedived on news of affairs, and it's hard to see how this, if true, wouldn't be a humongous hit -- maybe even knockout blow -- for the Senator from Massachusetts.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 12, 2004 14:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Feb 12, 2004 14:31:54 GMT -5
latest: from drudge... CONRESSIONAL QUARTERLY'S CRAIG CRAWFORD SENDS TO ASSOCIATES IN E-MAIL: 'Drudge item on Kerry intern issue is something Chris Lehane (clark press secy) has shopped around for a long time -- it was one reason the Gore vetters in 2000 shied away from Kerry as a running mate choice -- their conclusion that it wasn't bad enough to disqualify him, except for the fact that they couldn't risk it as they were trying so hard to distance themselves from Clinton's personal failings (note: Lehane worked for Gore at the time -- and briefly advised Kerry during this campaign). The Kerry camp has long expected to deal with this, and have assured party leaders they can handle it.' Crawford reports that Lehane strenuously denies involvement. I agree that Edwards wins the most from this... but time will tell if Kerry can weather it - it might be too late for this to have an effect on the nomination, but only time can tell what else will come out about Kerry... he spent a lot of late nights downtown when he was single  |
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 14:35:17 GMT -5
When I was finishing up at Gtown in 99, i worked as a butcher at Dean & Deluca. I have dirt on Kerry shopping for groceries in this obsncely priced Euro haven. I even sold him a piece of fish once. It looked like intern-bate to me.... ;D
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Post by showcase on Feb 12, 2004 14:53:49 GMT -5
I have a connection with the Dean campaign, who told me that when Dean heard the news, he said "YEEEEAAAAAAAAH!"
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Feb 12, 2004 14:54:11 GMT -5
now clark to endorse kerry... this is getting weirder and weirder.
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Post by thebin on Feb 12, 2004 14:59:42 GMT -5
maybe he cut a VP deal with Kerry- but Lehane is a loose cannon? It is getting weirder.
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