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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 2, 2004 11:38:18 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on Dubya dumping Cheney in 2004? With Dubya polling behind John Kerry, I have a feeling that Rove et. al. are scrambling to figure out how they can win.
That said, what does Dick Cheney add to the ticket in 2004? While he did provide experience on the ticket in 2000, what can he possibly offer Bush in 2004, recognizing that Rove et. al. want to portray Bush as a capable Commander-in-Chief?
With Cheney comes Halliburton, smoked filled rooms with Ken Lay and other energy tycoons, etc. I see him as dragging down the ticket.
My prediction right now is that Bush will dump Cheney and replace him with Giuliani. Anyway, just my two cents...
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 2, 2004 12:08:25 GMT -5
Its possible- but I don't think he will do it. The Bush family's sense of loyalty is legendary. (I predict they will back a Rice candidacy in 2008.)
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Post by Z on Feb 2, 2004 12:17:35 GMT -5
no way bush replaces the ideological and decision making fountainhead of the admin w/o a concrete health-related reason.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 2, 2004 13:29:49 GMT -5
This will be interesting to see. Cheney has a ton of baggage, much more so now than in 2000. But Bush I did keep Quayle, one of the biggest dim bulbs of the last 30 years. My inclination is to think Cheney stays, but the opposite result wouldn't shock me. Of course, just winning his 700th game is a big plus for Cheney. ;D
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 2, 2004 14:03:01 GMT -5
I'd be shocked and frankly disappointed to see him go.
I remember watching the Cheney - Lieberman VP debate in 2000 thinking they should both be at the top of their tickets.
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Post by thebin on Feb 2, 2004 15:23:41 GMT -5
Yeah- Cheney is really brilliant, and gets tarred by more BS, smoke and mirrors, vague smears than any pol I can think of. People shout "Haliburton!" in a similar way that people used to shout "Commie!"- mimicing accusations they knew something about- but couldn't coherently explain if you put them on the spot.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 2, 2004 15:55:08 GMT -5
Well... Cheney is much smoke and mirrors. Since you say that some people do not know what they're talking about when they bring up Halliburton, do you care to defend the Vice President?
I do not claim to have indisputable facts here, mainly because this President does not allow facts to be shared with the American people about what goes on behind closed doors, but there are some serious "coincidences" to think about.
Why does he refuse to release his full appointment records for the energy commission at the beginning of Bush's term? Could it be that he protected Enron and defended his personal oil interests?
Why does a member of the party of free market capitalism hand out no bid contracts to Halliburton, while Halliburton overcharges our military for the services that they render?
Why has Halliburton taken an interest in Martian exploration while the Administration has taken a similar interest? Could they be positioning themselves for no-bid contracts for oil exploration and exploitation on Mars?
I think some of the charges have great merit and to accuse people of making unsubstantiated accusations is a bit over the top considering what went on during a previous Administration and what continues to go on even after its conclusion (see accusations that Clinton was at fault for 9/11). Maybe it is just as bad as Republican accusations that Bill Clinton stole everything off of Air Force One.
If you have a chance to post something of more length, I'd also appreciate an explanation of how Cheney is brilliant because I haven't ever heard his name and brilliant in the same sentence before.
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Post by showcase on Feb 2, 2004 16:09:49 GMT -5
Is this the same brilliant Cheney who still believes WMD will be found in Iraq?
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 4, 2004 8:49:19 GMT -5
Just curious... any guesses as to running mates if he were to drop Cheney?
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 4, 2004 10:46:57 GMT -5
The rumor mill keeps bringing up Rudy. I can't think of a worse personality for a VP, and I don't think they want a cannon as loose as Rudy on board. Frist makes the most sense of anybody that I can think of.
Powell wouldn't touch the job, and I think Condi is damaged goods at this point.
But, as has been said, I can't see them dumping the ideological fountainhead of this administration. It's tough to shunt aside the most influential, powerful person in the room. He'll be on the ticket.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 4, 2004 13:45:05 GMT -5
Elizabeth Dole.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 10, 2004 12:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 10, 2004 12:50:40 GMT -5
I did not mean to say that Rudy was necessarily a good pick. I just think Bush and the RNC would like what he seems to add to the ticket: more credibility on national security. Rudy doesn't give him anything on family values given his Clinton-like private life. However, Republicans and some independents would buy in simply because of his distinguished leadership after 9/11.
As for Frist, Bush clearly likes him and massaged him into his position as Majority Leader. That said, what has Frist really accomplished? He is at most a divisive figure right now. Despite his background in medicine, the prescription drug bill was and is a joke, not to mention a pay-off to some of Frist's special interests in the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries.
Condi Rice is damaged goods. At most, the RNC et. al. will try to get her to challenge Barbara Boxer in 2004, but I do not see Condi jumping to the 2nd spot on a Bush ticket.
Other names to consider... Governor Pataki... Senator Allen from Virginia... Tom Ridge...
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