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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2007 21:19:35 GMT -5
Moved over from the HoyaTalk board. Here is Joey P's comments:
1 - on the contract extension. G town will hopefully do everything it can to sign JT III for many years to come. However, this will not be possible at a large large rate - you all have mentioned the endowment, throw in to that the enrollment (only 6k ish) we are not FL or Kentucky. Sorry to be rational...but its the facts.
2 - DFW how in God's name can you say you like / trust / believe in DeGioia?? Because he solved the hospital issue? How is PAYING someone to take over a hospital a good deal? We didn't sell the hospital (which was the initial plan) we paid someone to take over so we could stop the bleeding. That was Jack's biggest 'plus' for you?
Jack was at the elite 8 game - he sat through the entire game. He did not stand once. He did not clap. I was sitting behind him so I don't know if he was smiling but wow. Not clap? Not stand up? I don't expect him to pull a Bruce Pearl, and he might not even like b ball which is fine I would respect him showing up. But how do you not clap at various points (whenever the guys around you are clapping) throughout the game??
Jack wanted a private jet. Really he needed a private jet?
Jack has a house in G town somewhere (i'm not sure where) - he has a DRIVER / company car. WHY - the rest of us walked to / from school. And even if you want to drive (or he lives farther than I thought)....you need someone else to drive you? Why?
Jack employs a lot of people as assistants or associates that amounts to recent graduates who can do various odd jobs. It honestly looks like the president of the US -- ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
Jack has sent others to events that he should have attended. I don't want to bring up specifics but trust me when I say....he should have been there (and by all accounts he could have).
Jack is a philosopher by trade - yet I have never heard him lay out a clear direction / motto / idea for the university in the next 20 - 30 years. Oh I've heard speeches that are supposed to do that, but all he says is "bring g town to the top of the collegiate field for _______________fill in the blank for the organization he is speaking too." He likes to say, _____________ will carry us into the new millennium as the ________________university of this country. We will be leaders etc etc etc.
What is the point of having a philosopher with out his philosophy?? I'll take the salesman or the economist - sure neither of them will have a philosophy either but they could at least make money and spend money the most effectively.
Sorry for the long post.
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Post by dairishhoya on Jun 19, 2007 21:54:12 GMT -5
joey p--gotta say this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen on this board and there have been a bunch. Talk about manic, you're all over the place. C'mon, tell us ... are you a disgruntled student that didn't get to intern in the President's Office? I mean I was actually gonna write a real response to the half-truths and falsehoods you've written, but there's just too many. Next time try and get some of your facts right -- because everyone knows that DeGioia rolls strong to campus in his minivan. But seriously, if you're not a senior you always have next year to intern in the office.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jun 19, 2007 22:25:04 GMT -5
A few quick points on DeGioia: He makes approx $565,000, which like JTIII, is below market value (maybe not as far below). He's also taken a paycut in recent years. www.thehoya.com/news/111006/news2.cfmI have also seen him driving the mini van on numerous occasions. Never seen him with a driver. DeGioia should not escape criticism -- he certainly deserves some -- and if he loses III, he deserves a LOT more. But lets at least be fair.
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Post by CWS on Jun 19, 2007 22:38:31 GMT -5
I’ve been wanting to respond to some of the criticisms (unfair, I think) leveled against DeGioia for a while now. Joey P’s criticism that DeGioia doesn’t have a vision for the university finally put me over the edge.
Every year that has gone by since Jack DeGioia became president has made me more and more impressed by his intellect and leadership. His value to Georgetown, IMO, is enormous. I would almost say that his leadership is critical to the future success of Gtown (understood, of course, more broadly than just its hoops success).
He gets some credit among business-savvy, heavy-hitting alums for how he has improved Gtown’s desperate financial situation without the slashing, cost-cutting trauma that schools in similar circumstances have to undergo.
But it’s his leadership among faculty and his vision for Gtown University that has elicited my admiration for him. I think his vision for Gtown University is pretty consistently expressed to all the major constituencies of Gtown (i.e., alumns, benefactors, students, faculty, administrators). I’ve never heard him express it exactly like I’m going to do so here (and not in the order I will do so). I could be misrepresenting him, but here’s what I keep hearing and seeing.
1) Georgetown is a Catholic, Jesuit university. Those two labels are important to DeGioia. Maybe it’s the kind of Catholic identity that seems diluted to some people, but he does care greatly about the identity. He travels every year to Rome to meet with the worldwide superior of the Jesuits and the head of the Vatican Congregation for Catholic Higher Ed. This year the entire Board of Trustees (Directors? I forget which name they use) met in Rome. Recently he met with the superior of the Jesuits in Rome to request that one Jesuit scholar, an Islamicist then working in Rome, be allowed to accept a position at Georgetown. He’s tried to recruit other senior Jesuit scholars to Georgetown (e.g., John O’Malley). His office has sponsored a series of high profile lectures of invited scholars commemorating the 40th anniversary of Pope John XXIII’s Pacem in Terris, and then another series for the Vatican II document, Nostra Aetate (dealing with religious freedom/liberty). His office is sponsoring the publication of the reflections/memoirs of the priest who was key in the discussion/debate leading up to the publication of Nostra Aetate (and, I believe, was a contributing ghost writer). Look on Gtown’s website right now and you’ll see two notices about Catholic issues. That doesn’t happen all the time, of course, but I suspect it does show something about the administration’s priorities.
I know that things like these aren’t enough for some Catholics, but they do show at least that the Catholic identity has real traction for DeGioia.
2) DeGioia emphasizes two elements in contemporary Jesuit priorities that he believes Georgetown can make a real contribution: interreligious dialogue and social justice. At the last General Congregation of the Society of Jesus (or, GC 34: these are major gatherings of Jesuit leaders from around the world in Rome, happening every 10-20 years or so; there have been 34 such meetings since the Jesuits were founded in 1540), Jesuits identified a number of tasks which they believed had a priority in the Jesuits’ service to the Church -- interreligious dialogue and social justice/service of faith being two of them. DeGioia has read these documents and, in conversation with others, has begun to put institutional weight behind the two aforementioned priorities, which, he believes, fit with the particular character and strength of Georgetown (i.e., fits with elements like the SFS, religious diversity, service commitments, community outreach, law school along with the international health work being done in NHS). Some of the examples of initiatives tied to or explicitly supporting the interreligious dialogue piece: sponsorship of (Interreligious) World Day of Peace; development of a PhD in Religious Pluralism (Theology Department); the sponsorship of Nostra Aetate lectures; hiring of a director for interreligious initiatives; the establishment of the Berkley Center (with its beautiful offices on M Street); a partnership with (or support of?) Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury and his Building Bridges seminars. I could say things about the social justice piece, but I’ll move on.
3) Georgetown as a “global” university that is addressing the particular challenges related to globalism. This may seem already achieved, given SFS, but DeGioia is putting a lot of resources and time in developing it more. Qatar is one clear example, along with the investigation now underway for some kind of growing partnership with a school (schools?) in China; note also the recently established a partnership between NHS and the law school (the O’Neil Institute for National and Global Health). DeGioia himself is part of a fairly small and elite group of university presidents/leaders who meet regularly to talk about facing the challenges of globalism (I believe the group is headed by the Yale president?). And DeGioia also hosts globalization seminars several times a year for a diverse group of faculty so that we can talk among ourselves about the issues and how we as a university can respond to them. DeGioia has said at a lot of addresses I’ve attended, that in its past, Georgetown made the move from being a regional to a national university, and then from a national to an international university. The challenge which Georgetown faces now, he maintains, is how to become a truly global university; he quickly adds that he is not sure what it means to be a “global” university (no one is; hence the inter-university meetings), but that it is, he thinks, different from being merely an international university and it is important to Georgetown’s particular identity.
4) undergraduate education. One concern is that as Georgetown keeps striving for excellence in different areas, we’ll lose what has always been at our core: teaching undergrads. DeGioia has asked the provost, Jim O’Donnell (who, by the way, you’ll see at major university events, including the games, with his little digital camera taking pictures) to head up a task force investigating how to improve the undergraduate experience. I went to one of the “provost seminars for teaching and learning”, where the provost had invited Richard Light of Harvard to lead us in a conversation about our teaching mission.
Again, I may be off about this. I have no insider info except what I see as a faculty (and I’m writing this past my bedtime). But the above is what I see Jack regularly emphasizing as some of the pieces of his vision: maintaining our undergrad educational experience (with its cura personalis), all the while becoming a global university doing serious work in interreligious dialogue and justice, all within a broad and inclusive Catholic/Jesuit identity. [That may seem like a mouthful, but, come on, this is a complex university, not a one-item store. And, obviously, there’s more than these things that are happening at Gtown, but they are the things that give us our characteristic niche.]
One more thing: DeGioia is not at all clueless about the importance of basketball to Georgetown. He was at the NCAA games in 2006, went to the Big East tournament, attended this year’s Regionals and Final Four, attended the 100th Anniversary Gala and the end of the year basketball banquet (along with speaking at a special Mass at a local parish in Atlanta on Sunday after our loss), and participated in the welcome back pep rally on the Gtown lawn. That plus several times during the year he has a practice of inviting captains from the sports teams to a dinner in Riggs library.
I should get multiple posting credit for this treatise!
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 19, 2007 23:13:43 GMT -5
Excellent summary CWS. I've definitely noticed those first three themes from DeGioia every single time he opens his mouth. Personally, I love that Georgetown has a religious identity. I appreciate the social justice aspect that so so many schools lack. And I understand that the "global" thing is sort of this administration's roll of the dice for the future: If undergrad education develops and changes over the next 30 years like DeGioia and his staff envision it (with all the global implications and intricacies), then Georgetown will be at the forefront of a tremendous shift in American higher education. It could be an enormous benefit.
My two problems with the President. First of all, he NEVER seems to get off these same three talking points. By the end of senior year, if I heard the man say "global" one more time, I think I would have plugged my ears and gone to sleep. It's an admirable direction, but Convocation, Commencement, Senior Parents Weekend, informal dinners in Riggs, etc. are just not always the right places to keep driving home these goals, especially to students who have so many day-to-day challenges. I think this extremely redundant, OVERLY philosophical and goal-oriented type of persona leads to the second problem.
The area of the undergraduate experience seems to be the least of his worries. I often think that DeGioia takes undergrads for granted, assuming that with minimal tending to, the campus will just kind of plow on. It's not a positive thing that in my mind, I would imagine DeGioia sooner visiting another country for a "global" opportunity than I could see him really hitting the bricks in Red Square to address major campus concerns. From GAAP weekend for accepted students, through New Student Orientation, through virtually every single major event or initiative on campus, students run the place, and it's not easy. DeGioia seems to really underestimate how much can be done to improve Georgetown for its students, not improve its image in China.
Again, his themes and long-term vision are strong, but there are also University Presidents who spend much more time dealing with issues at home, literally and figuratively. He's let a cafeteria sit empty for over 2 years. The campus remains without universal wireless. Campus security is much more seriously in doubt than 4 years ago. Numerous inept administrators, coughAuxiliaryServicescough, are permitted to slow down potentially great improvements.
I don't know how much I honestly trust DeGioia to take care of many things that matter most to current undergrad students today, not overseas and not in 15 years.
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Post by doublehoya on Jun 19, 2007 23:16:14 GMT -5
Wow, CWS. Great, informative post. I am still undecided about DeGioia -- I think he should be credited with pulling Georgetown out of the jaws of financial ruin, but I am not sure how much "vision" he has. I viewed him as an administrator, not a visionary -- akin to Tony Williams -- a guy to crunch numbers and get the financial ducks in a row.
Your post has me re-thinking my views. Ok, your post, and the fact that he rolls in a minivan. That is damn cool.
Minivan humor aside, thanks for your informative post!
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Post by CWS on Jun 20, 2007 8:58:57 GMT -5
From GAAP weekend for accepted students, through New Student Orientation, through virtually every single major event or initiative on campus, students run the place, That's a little overstated, isn't it? Those are real successes organized by students, I certainly grant that. GAAP, NSO, HoyaBlue are all great examples of the leadership Gtown students take in important areas (and a reflection of just how talented our students are). Those labors are matters of school pride and spirit; I don't think you'd want them to be top down organizations (i.e., organized by the university). [And, just to add another student-run group: GERMS, which is different from the above in that it doesn't directly involve/support school pride.] As far as the other problems (e.g., having a completely wireless campus), I certainly grant that students can hope for/demand more of the university. One important factor in students' favor: they become alumns and benefactors; it's in Gtown's interest to make sure that they are happy campers during their four years on the hilltop. I don't know how immediately connected DeGioia is with students and their concerns. I do admire Todd Olson; he's a good man and he cares deeply about the students' well-being. Also, I get the impression that Dan Porterfield interacts a lot with students and student groups. He certainly has the administration's ear... keep plugging away to make Gtown better for everyone.
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Post by CWS on Jun 20, 2007 9:11:25 GMT -5
I viewed him as an administrator, not a visionary -- I think the fact that he's more on the quiet side and not as charismatic as someone like Healy, one could get the impression, wrong I think, that he's not much of a visionary. I first thought of him more as a nice, solid leader. I think much more of him now.
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Post by hilltopper2000 on Jun 20, 2007 9:53:49 GMT -5
I think the university is finally in a position that it can begin to move forward again. And DeGioia deserves some credit for that, but a good deal of it was a no brainer. The quality of senior administrators was always a major concern I had. I think this has been largely corrected with DeGioia's hires, but hiring a Chief Investment Office a solid decade after everyone else is just inexcusable. But my sense is that we've spent 10 years treading water thanks in large part to the hospital but also due to being behind the curve in a number of financial areas--in particular, endowment management and fundraising. The question is whether we can make up any of that ground. I'm impressed with Langley and Kochard but GU has a long long long way to go before it can match the financial resources of its peers. Realistically, GU is operating with 1/4 of the financial resources it needs to do what it wants to do. How/if we get from here to there will be interesting.
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Post by hoya4ever on Jun 20, 2007 10:38:29 GMT -5
I think we might also be forgetting that DeGoia might want to do certain things that he is not allowed/does not have the political (in the university sense) capital to do. Just because he is the president does not mean that he gets to do whatever and hire whomever he wants. Who knows what he wants to do but does not have the support to do so. Yeah he hired the Investment guy later than we would have wanted him to but that doesn't mean that he didn't want to do it earlier. I'm not saying trust him blindly, just that we don't see or will ever see the same picture he does.
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Post by joey0403p on Jun 20, 2007 10:53:01 GMT -5
CWS , and others;
I'll admit that I was a bit perturbed while writing that post about DeGioia. I'll also fully admit I may have some half truths, and I may be completely off base about other things. Though I did not mean to exaggerate at any point.
No I was not turned down as an intern - though that comment was funny. And one of my sources was someone who sesrved as one of these post grad assistants.
I am a recent grad that was unhappy with what I saw as the vision from the office of the president while I was on campus. Given my personal feelings towards the man I probably do not give him the benefit of the doubt on most of what he does. I will admit that.
However, we should not give Jack the benefit of the doubt on everything either. I agree he is not the most charismatic guy out there, which I find surprising because from everything I heard, earlier in his career he was supposedly a good teacher. He does seem completely out of touch with the students. In fact I don't think I ever saw him speaking to students without a speech.
And speaking as a recent alum that has given money to the university I can say that more then a few of my fellow alumni have vowed not to give any money to g town because of what they perceived as DeGioia's shortcomings, and general disinterest in student matters. We may be wrong - but the fact remains that students (generally speaking) do not feel a connection with this man.
Hopefully signing JT III to a long term contract will begin to rectify that situation. (though I can certainly appreciate that we may not be able to pay him as much as other universities)
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 20, 2007 11:15:35 GMT -5
I don't know how immediately connected DeGioia is with students and their concerns. I do admire Todd Olson; he's a good man and he cares deeply about the students' well-being. Also, I get the impression that Dan Porterfield interacts a lot with students and student groups. He certainly has the administration's ear... Couldn't agree with you more. I've always had very strong interactions with Olson, even something as minor as that he just knew my name before we'd ever had much personal interaction. I found that really surprising. And Porterfield is an outstanding man. He's absolutely closer to students than anyone else I can think of at the University, and I definitely think he's the best bridge there is between DeGioia's distant University-wide position and the student body. I hope he's with us for a LONG time, and judging by his passion for the school, I think he will be. I also have noticed, though, that huge numbers of current undergrads talk about not giving back to the University itself. Everyone mentions giving money to specific student organizations, whether connected or not to the University (NSO, GPB, etc. OR Germs, Corp, etc.). It seems like there's a disconnect between what "the University" does and what students find valuable. I think a huge part of that is just terribly poor communication. How long is a typical University president's term? I've heard that usually, its the sort of job one person holds for only about 8 years or so. That could be totally wrong, but just something a friend mentioned. I really think that DeGioia did some things to strengthen the University's position especially in the $$ department, but recent alums don't want to give to him AT ALL. I've heard Father Maher and Dr. Porterfield as the two sort of heirs to the position, and I really think that both will rally a lot of giving. Either one could more successfully bring DeGioia's lofty ideas and reconnect them to the average student's level.
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Post by hilltopper2000 on Jun 20, 2007 11:35:41 GMT -5
I think I'm totally in the minority here, but I never wanted the unversity president when I was an undergrad (O'Donovan) to be socializing with students. Every time I saw him speaking with some undergrads, I wanted to run over to him and tell him to get on a plane to visit some donors! I want my president to provide a vision for the institution, hire top notch people to run it, and raise $$$$$$. It is not the best use of his time to entertain the concerns of undergrads who often lack total perspective on anything and everything that concerns the university. Their concerns generally can and should be answered by far less senior administrators. That's why we have people like Porterfield and Olson. Of course, I also hate townhall meetings where presidential candidates feel voters' pain. (By the way, as a freshman, I cornered O'Donovan and asked him how he could have let Mt. Vernon get away. He seemed stunned and gave me an answer that I think probably was the truth--it would have been bad publicity to close down another Catholic school. It made me feel better to get that off my chest but the exchange certainly didn't benefit anyone.)
As for DeGioia's successor, I doubt we will see one any time soon. He's a young man and a lifer. I'm thinking decades will go by before he moves on. If he were to leave, I imagine the only in-house person on the short list would be O'Donnell. Beyond him, I would hope that top flight administrators from peer institutions would be considered.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 20, 2007 13:01:34 GMT -5
And speaking as a recent alum that has given money to the university I can say that more then a few of my fellow alumni have vowed not to give any money to g town because of what they perceived as DeGioia's shortcomings, and general disinterest in student matters. We may be wrong - but the fact remains that students (generally speaking) do not feel a connection with this man. As a member of the class of 2000, I'm not sure whether I qualify as a "recent" alum anymore, but your statement is one I've also heard from members of my class and those around me. A few years ago, it was "I'm not giving money to the University because of the state of the basketball program." I think it's bull. Georgetown is bigger than any individual or any particular program. As an alum, you support the institution, not the individuals. If you don't like DeGioia, then don't give then money to the general administration. Give it to financial aid. Or a particular academic program. Or the Hoop Club. Georgetown's greatest weakness seems to be the apathy (or anger) of its alumni, particularly when it comes to giving. Whether the University itself is the source of that apathy/anger, its clear that the problem won't solve itself by continuing to withhold money, which only continues to leave the University strapped for cash when it could be otherwise addressing the issues you wanted it to address during your time there. Since my graduation, GU has built a number of new major buildings such as the SW Quad and Ryan Performing Arts Center, started construction on the Business School, and is about to move forward with the Science Center. It has rebuilt its basketball program, and has continued to maintain excellence in its other programs. Its students are still the best of the best, and they are doing amazing things both during their college years and following their graduation, and by all accounts my degree has risen in value. So what if DeGioia is not himself an overwhelmingly interactive president with students (a statement I have no knowledge of one way or the other) -- he is providing real leadership, and the programs, buildings, and people he is putting together ARE providing deeper and better levels of student and alumni interaction, enthusiasm, and success. He's building a better institution, and for that we should continue to support that institution.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 20, 2007 13:11:49 GMT -5
All the way through Georgetown, I was one of the "I'll never give" kids. Even just two months out, I think that wears off people. Maybe it's nostalgia or the realization that we still need the school to thrive in order to increase value of the degree. I'd still probably target my money, as you said, but hopefully that resentment towards "the University" has similarly worn off other alums.
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Post by reformation on Jun 20, 2007 13:15:43 GMT -5
On the plus side I think that DeGioia has made some good hires for key university positions. On the negative side, I would say that he comes across as pretty mediocre with reagard to a vision on how to move Georgetown forward to being a truly elite university. He tends to repeat the same platitudes in his public talks and seems to me at least to be ill at ease with any serious private conversation which involves any real give and take on how to address some of the univ's shortcomings. I think that his insularity from being only at Gtwn for his career is a real handicap in this regard and I don't think that he really has a firm grasp of issues like what could be done to improve our academic reputation, e.g.. I'm not saying that he's incompetent or a bad guy, or even that he's not a step up from O'Donovan(though maybe a step down from Healy), but that he's pretty average.
Also, I don't believe that he is "below market" in his comp. because I don't think that there would be a strong bid for him at another elite university. He does not compare favorably with any of the pesidents or even deans that I have met at other top places.
I think that he is in the second 5 year term. Most university presidents serve for 10 years. I think that he has served as a decent transitional(10 years is pretty long) figure but I don't think it would be healthy for the university to have him as its "permanent president".
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jun 20, 2007 15:00:57 GMT -5
CWS, would you say that, generally speaking, the faculty views DeGioia similarly to you?
And as an aside, do you have any (public) thoughts on how long you would expect him to stay in office?
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Post by CWS on Jun 20, 2007 19:10:45 GMT -5
CWS, would you say that, generally speaking, the faculty views DeGioia similarly to you? And as an aside, do you have any (public) thoughts on how long you would expect him to stay in office? The question reminded me of a joke someone told me: "What's a university?" "Wall to wall toes waiting to be stepped on." It's a good question, but I don't know the answer. It's difficult b/c there probably is no one dominant view of DeGioia among faculty. A lot of faculty care about the basic, bread and butter issues: are we getting competitive salaries? How are the teaching conditions (e.g., classrooms)? How much administrative support is my department being given? the library, faculty leaves, etc. How favorably DeGioia is viewed or not within that group depends on what kind of answers they'd give to the above questions. In that regard, they are not that different from students: how good is my life here at Georgetown? If it's great, Jack's a great guy; if not, he has to share in the blame. I have spoken to faculty who have had a similar experience to my own (i.e., a kind of growing in appreciation for DeGioia's leadership), and some of them, for reasons similar to my own (i.e., the direction he's taking the university), but I suspect more faculty are in the bread and butter category (i.e., how well is the administration addressing basic faculty concerns). I'm speculating because it's not a regular topic of conversation among my colleagues. As far as DeGioia's future: I have no inside knowledge. I suspect it depends on the results of the upcoming capital campaign and his own desire to keep doing the job. As I indicated, I'm quite happy to see him continue. Ideally, I'd like to see some Jesuit chosen to succeed DeGioia, but I agree with the sentiment of an earlier post that we find someone really capable. Fr. Pilarz is a Gtown grad, now president of the University of Scranton; Fr. Garanzini is doing a great job at Loyola Chicago. Either of them would be good choices, from what I know. Regarding the earlier comment that DeGioia can speak in platitudes: that's not my sense, but maybe I tune it out when I sense that he's going that direction. All presidents do a lot of BS and schmoozing. I agree though that Degioia's hired well: Muir in athletics, the CFO Augostini, George Daly dean at MSB -- great hires.
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Post by FormerHoya on Jun 21, 2007 11:27:00 GMT -5
Doesn't Fr. Pilarz have the 2nd most recent "Jack?" If he came back would Georgetown have dueling Jacks?
Maybe we should avoid this conundrum and pick someone else...
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Post by joey0403p on Jun 21, 2007 12:19:27 GMT -5
CWS - having a Jesuit back would be a lot of people's preference IMO.
quick question for the board though; I was under the impression that Fr Pilarz was passed over for president when they hired DeGioia in 00 or 01. If my information is accurate, why would Pilarz come back? What has changed that georgetown would want him? What would DeGioia do then, his whole career has been at g town? It wouldn't be wise to have two presidents any more than it would to have two Jack's.
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