DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 19, 2004 16:06:39 GMT -5
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Oct 19, 2004 19:15:42 GMT -5
Wow, this is a very interesting new ranking system. I think that what it is based on makes a lot of sense. I love seeing Georgetown at #16 rather than on the verge of falling out of the top 25.
I don't usually pay much attention the the US news rankings but a kid from my high school who is a freshman at Carnegie Mellon was giving me a hard time about the rankings. On this list we are #16 and CMU is #46, can't wait to shut him up a little with this.
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 19, 2004 19:26:43 GMT -5
If we are at 16 and Duke is at 19, that has made my day. ;D
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Post by reformation on Oct 22, 2004 10:52:55 GMT -5
Georgetown should publicize this on its website--ranking was pretty good--most news recently has been bad.
One of the most interesting things about the report was the "attack" it made on Princeton for practicing "strategic admissions" to boost its yield.
The methodology was pretty sound and well thought out, weakness is probably small sample student size-the explanatory power of what they did drops off after the top schools, but is very good for top 10 and ok for top 20--Gtwn at 16
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 22, 2004 12:08:48 GMT -5
It's not really a ranking of colleges, though. It's a ranking of the quality of students and the appeal of the university. That's my reading, anyway. There is no attempt to measure the quality of education, like USNews purports to do (they fail and it's an absurd task anyway.) The WSJ had a study last year that looked at placement in the top 5 (or so) law, med, and MBA programs. We did well, and it's sort of similar project.
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Post by reformation on Oct 22, 2004 12:18:02 GMT -5
You're right, but I think that the study authors would say that the "market", i.e., the students are the best judges of quality--not a "biased" survey or made up measure like USNews.
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Post by Penarol1916 on Oct 22, 2004 14:08:40 GMT -5
I agree with the authors, as the market, these students do as much research as possible (hopefully anyway) and should be the best informed about what they are going to be getting out of the school. It is like these new books coming out on the wisdom of crowds. Each individual decision may not necessarily be right, but in the end, the cumulative decisions of everybody cancels out mistakes.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 22, 2004 19:11:41 GMT -5
Well, I do believe I'm talking to some fellow econ majors!  Hi guys. I agree that the quality of applicants and matriculating freshman tells us something about Georgetown's quality. Certainly, it is one of the best aspects of GU in my experience. I spent a year at a highly regarded Ivy League school before coming to Georgetown, and I wouldn't trade the GU student body for any I've encountered. Just a tremendous group of motivated, smart people. And good students attract good students. That said, don't underestimate the effect of perception. GU attracts these kids because of their perceptions of the school. Some are based in fact, others are based in quasi-facts like the US News survey. Moreover, students are also evaluating GU based on non-academic criteria as well. M-Street was a big draw for me, personally. Housing, athletics, food...the list goes on. Those are all important things, but they don't all neccessarily speak to how well Georgetown is doing. Generally, I think we do quite well. But, for all its flaws, the US News rankings do speak to some things we can do better. The endowment simply has to increase. We need to invest in the sciences in a serious way. And the econ department could use a few more tenured profs too. |
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Dec 15, 2004 20:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by reformation on Dec 16, 2004 13:54:46 GMT -5
I wonder if the Catholic affiliation is really a + for Georgetown in students admissionns decisions, or is it pure speculation on the authors part. My own guess is that it would be a much bigger factor for ND than ourselves. The authors also implicitly seem to think that GTWN/ND do not merit the ranking on a pure relative quality basis. However; I do think that the authors approach is both an original and pretty valid way to address the rankings issue.
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Hi guys. I agree that the quality of applicants and matriculating freshman tells us something about Georgetown's quality. Certainly, it is one of the best aspects of GU in my experience. I spent a year at a highly regarded Ivy League school before coming to Georgetown, and I wouldn't trade the GU student body for any I've encountered. Just a tremendous group of motivated, smart people. And good students attract good students. That said, don't underestimate the effect of perception. GU attracts these kids because of their perceptions of the school. Some are based in fact, others are based in quasi-facts like the US News survey. Moreover, students are also evaluating GU based on non-academic criteria as well. M-Street was a big draw for me, personally. Housing, athletics, food...the list goes on. Those are all important things, but they don't all neccessarily speak to how well Georgetown is doing.