Post by fmrhoya on Oct 16, 2005 0:48:43 GMT -5
We're complaining that trees can't grow, but ignoring the fact that they are trying to blossom in a forest fire.
People have laid out statistics and displayed anecdotal evidence on these boards, but over the past five years what has been the one consistent in Georgetown football and its struggles? We've had many O-Coordinators from Ulrich, Breslin, Moorehead, and Uzelac and 9 QBs. The O-line has been reshuffled, assistants have come and gone, and about 200 athletes have passed through the program (give or take), but over the years there has been one consistent presence, now most of us are Georgetown alumni or students, so think real hard about who it is.
I think that off the field, coach is a pretty good guy, and he has done a tremendous amount of good for the university in terms of fund raising, helping to bring the MSF to bear, and making football at least somewhat important in the eyes of the administration. That being said, his effectiveness as a coach is non-existent anymore. I was a Hoya at the end of the MAAC/Indy years and the beginning of the PL years, and that is when the change began. College athletes should be pushed and driven, and very few people inside the Healy Gates have a problem with hard work, but Benson's tactics have waned enthusiasm and passion from his players. I have yet to come across one of my graduated teammates who have looked back on their experience in positive terms.
I could be wrong about this, but it seems that there are more people quitting now than from before, the mood is unhappier now than it was before our losing slide, and infinately worse than it was in the days of the 90's dominance.
The fact of the matter is we have the talent to WIN THE PL NOW!!!! How many other PL teams have a QB good enough to play in the ACC? If Oni isn't the best pure athlete in the PL I must be watching the games on PCP. If there are PL coaches who can convince a 18 year old to come to lovely Worcester, MA, Bethlehem, PA, the boogie down, or a town whose biggest deal is 12 year olds playing baseball to recieve an above average regional education instead of coming to a world class university in the nicest neighborhood of the capital of the world, Condi Rice needs to call that person up to help her solve the Isreal/Palestine conflict.
We have immeasurable advantages in recruting, and in 2000 we should have beaten Bucknell and Fordham (who were much better than they are now) and we manned up with HC but made mistakes. Prior to that we had a great amount of success vs. HC and had nailbiters with Fordham, and this is without PL athletes. Once we joined the PL, Benson went from a hard-ass who most people liked to someone who became unapproachable to everyone on the team with the exception of about 7-10 guys a year. How many freshmen have thought they could do no wrong only to be in the doghouse by the end of their sophomore years? We're playing kids too early because after about 2 years the older kids have been fed up with alot of the bs and often times are passed over for playing time unjustly. This is leading to freshmen and sophomores playing before they are ready against juniors and seniors who are seasoned college football players and less talented teams are beating us while talented upperclassmen sit. I didn't quit, and neither did the vast majority of my classmates, but I remember almost everyone being so happy that football was over at the end of senior year. That's a sad commentary.
I think Benson would be a good guy to have a beer with, and he is loyal, he does want to win, and he does care about his job. I'm not saying we kick someone out after 13 years, but when almost everyone complains, when many kids have had college careers that are less than what expectations would have warrented, you have to look at the common denominator.
For what its worth, I think he should have been the new AD and we should have gotten a new coach to make a fresh start. But the only team in our peer strata (PL/Ivy) schools where it is even somewhat excusable to lose by 50 would be Penn, just so we get an idea of how lopsided the score was today, Miami beat Temple by 31. Does anyone in their right mind think that the talent disparity between Georgetown and Cornell is 19 points larger than the talent disparity between Miami and Temple?
People have laid out statistics and displayed anecdotal evidence on these boards, but over the past five years what has been the one consistent in Georgetown football and its struggles? We've had many O-Coordinators from Ulrich, Breslin, Moorehead, and Uzelac and 9 QBs. The O-line has been reshuffled, assistants have come and gone, and about 200 athletes have passed through the program (give or take), but over the years there has been one consistent presence, now most of us are Georgetown alumni or students, so think real hard about who it is.
I think that off the field, coach is a pretty good guy, and he has done a tremendous amount of good for the university in terms of fund raising, helping to bring the MSF to bear, and making football at least somewhat important in the eyes of the administration. That being said, his effectiveness as a coach is non-existent anymore. I was a Hoya at the end of the MAAC/Indy years and the beginning of the PL years, and that is when the change began. College athletes should be pushed and driven, and very few people inside the Healy Gates have a problem with hard work, but Benson's tactics have waned enthusiasm and passion from his players. I have yet to come across one of my graduated teammates who have looked back on their experience in positive terms.
I could be wrong about this, but it seems that there are more people quitting now than from before, the mood is unhappier now than it was before our losing slide, and infinately worse than it was in the days of the 90's dominance.
The fact of the matter is we have the talent to WIN THE PL NOW!!!! How many other PL teams have a QB good enough to play in the ACC? If Oni isn't the best pure athlete in the PL I must be watching the games on PCP. If there are PL coaches who can convince a 18 year old to come to lovely Worcester, MA, Bethlehem, PA, the boogie down, or a town whose biggest deal is 12 year olds playing baseball to recieve an above average regional education instead of coming to a world class university in the nicest neighborhood of the capital of the world, Condi Rice needs to call that person up to help her solve the Isreal/Palestine conflict.
We have immeasurable advantages in recruting, and in 2000 we should have beaten Bucknell and Fordham (who were much better than they are now) and we manned up with HC but made mistakes. Prior to that we had a great amount of success vs. HC and had nailbiters with Fordham, and this is without PL athletes. Once we joined the PL, Benson went from a hard-ass who most people liked to someone who became unapproachable to everyone on the team with the exception of about 7-10 guys a year. How many freshmen have thought they could do no wrong only to be in the doghouse by the end of their sophomore years? We're playing kids too early because after about 2 years the older kids have been fed up with alot of the bs and often times are passed over for playing time unjustly. This is leading to freshmen and sophomores playing before they are ready against juniors and seniors who are seasoned college football players and less talented teams are beating us while talented upperclassmen sit. I didn't quit, and neither did the vast majority of my classmates, but I remember almost everyone being so happy that football was over at the end of senior year. That's a sad commentary.
I think Benson would be a good guy to have a beer with, and he is loyal, he does want to win, and he does care about his job. I'm not saying we kick someone out after 13 years, but when almost everyone complains, when many kids have had college careers that are less than what expectations would have warrented, you have to look at the common denominator.
For what its worth, I think he should have been the new AD and we should have gotten a new coach to make a fresh start. But the only team in our peer strata (PL/Ivy) schools where it is even somewhat excusable to lose by 50 would be Penn, just so we get an idea of how lopsided the score was today, Miami beat Temple by 31. Does anyone in their right mind think that the talent disparity between Georgetown and Cornell is 19 points larger than the talent disparity between Miami and Temple?