aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 29, 2004 0:15:47 GMT -5
I’ve listened to the MEAC bashing since this summer…<br>
But if the MEAC is a crappy conference, why did the Hoyas struggle with a team that probably won’t finish in the top 3 in the conference?
But while you’re busy bashing the MEAC, make sure you realize that your 44-0 record against the MEAC consists of two wins against the top MEAC team…a blow-out victory against Hampton in the 2001 tourney, and a 4 or 5 point victory against A&T in Puerto Rico back in the fall of ’84…that’s right…the defending national championship squad with Pat, Reggie, Wingate and the rest of the crew…when I went through the archives this past summer, I don’t think G’town scheduled any of the top 3 MEAC teams in a given season…if they did, it was after the conference had been completely depleted…<br>
For all the disrespect I’ve heard about the MEAC, no one ever mentions that Georgetown never scheduled Coppin…never scheduled N.C. A&T in the ‘80s…never scheduled Howard in the ‘80s…G’town waited until they were absolutely positive that Howard posed no threat before they put them on the schedule…those of us that are old enough to remember, know that Howard had a bunch of 20 win seasons in the ‘80s and an NCAA tourney appearance…they were a very good team…<br>
Don’t worry…the Hoyas are not the only ones…Carolina, Wake and Duke wouldn’t put A&T on their schedules in the ‘70s & ‘80s for the same reason that G’town wouldn’t put Howard on their schedule…it would look bad to lose to a team that you believe yourself to be superior to…<br>
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Post by Grandpa on Dec 29, 2004 0:22:27 GMT -5
I’ve listened to the MEAC bashing since this summer…<br> But if the MEAC is a crappy conference, why did the Hoyas struggle with a team that probably won’t finish in the top 3 in the conference? For what its worth, while Norfolk St may not have been projected to finish in the top 3 in its conference, they have gotten out to a 2-1 start in conf play: kenpom.com/sked.php?&y=2005&team=Norfolk%20St. |
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Dec 29, 2004 19:27:41 GMT -5
kenpom.com/confrank.phpOh... the conference sucks. Sorry... 'depleted.' Aggy, you've got every right to come on here and FTP, but I'm glad you've started to refer to the Hoyas as 'your' -- as in, 'not my team'. Whether the MEAC can rise again -- and whether we'll sked them when that happens -- are moot points. We sked the MEAC BECAUSE they suck. And to say that we don't play the good MEAC teams, then say we blew out Hampton in our only matchup... I guess we just don't want to show the MEAC up anymore than we have to, eh? Scheduling Howard is a 'friendly.' It makes a lot of sense in that we're in the same city and should act like it. That we don't do the same with American, GW, and the Twerps is sad. It's a step up that we play the Bisons, and hopefully they'll get better and the series will continue as they get closer and closer. But it'll still be a cold day in D.C. the first time Howard beats us. Hoya Saxa!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 29, 2004 19:56:48 GMT -5
MEAC is rated the 30th best conference by Pomeroy.
Their best team, South Carolina State, is ranked 117. The next best team is ranked 207. So yeah, we could've scheduled SC State.
A&M, A&T and Hampton have six wins. Between them.
The MEAC simply isn't very good, no matter how you spin it.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 29, 2004 20:16:47 GMT -5
I’ve listened to the MEAC bashing since this summer…<br> But if the MEAC is a crappy conference, why did the Hoyas struggle with a team that probably won’t finish in the top 3 in the conference? thats an easy one...the hoyas arent very good. were you at the game? they cant play defense or rebound |
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 29, 2004 21:27:21 GMT -5
but they won and brandon came out with eight points in the ot go hoyas they did win no matter how preety
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 8:53:38 GMT -5
kenpom.com/confrank.phpOh... the conference sucks. Sorry... 'depleted.' Aggy, you've got every right to come on here and FTP, but I'm glad you've started to refer to the Hoyas as 'your' -- as in, 'not my team'. Whether the MEAC can rise again -- and whether we'll sked them when that happens -- are moot points. We sked the MEAC BECAUSE they suck. And to say that we don't play the good MEAC teams, then say we blew out Hampton in our only matchup... I guess we just don't want to show the MEAC up anymore than we have to, eh? Scheduling Howard is a 'friendly.' It makes a lot of sense in that we're in the same city and should act like it. That we don't do the same with American, GW, and the Twerps is sad. It's a step up that we play the Bisons, and hopefully they'll get better and the series will continue as they get closer and closer. But it'll still be a cold day in D.C. the first time Howard beats us. Hoya Saxa! Why wasn't it a 'Friendly' in the '70s? '80s? That's cool... But I hope you recognize that there was a time when HOWARD was the best team in this city and the metro area...it was a long time ago...but make sure you remember that... There was a time when G'town and a lot of so-called Premiere schools would have been 'Cup-Cakes' on our schedule...much like G'town is an EZ win for their Big East opponents now... |
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 9:05:03 GMT -5
kenpom.com/confrank.phpWhether the MEAC can rise again -- and whether we'll sked them when that happens -- are moot points. We sked the MEAC BECAUSE they suck. Make sure you realize that things weren't always like this... When you're recalling the facts be sure to remember that Howard and other CIAA/MEAC schools weren't scheduled because of 'social' reasons and because YOU sucked... There was a time when Clarence 'Big-House' Gaines and his boys would have BLASTED everything in the ACC, SEC and the Big East...Even Billy Packer stated in a broadcast that the season that Wake Forest won the national championship, they were the 2nd best team in their city...those days are gone...they'll never return... So while you're bragging on your superiority over the MEAC, make sure you recall WHEN you decided to play them...and WHO you decided to play... I could accept the talk if you were dominant over the MEAC when the MEAC was at THEIR best...or when they were at least decent...(the '80s)...but you guys schedule the teams that win 4 and 5 games a year, and THEN you brag... Coppin St. is 40 miles away...why won't you schedule them? |
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 30, 2004 9:47:17 GMT -5
If I had to guess? Probably because the best teams in the MEAC command a bigger financial guarantee than the Howards, Norfolk States, and Morgan States of the conference, without bringing in a large enough increase in ticket sales to make it worth the extra money.
Not sure if this is the reason, but the best teams in weak conferences know that they can bring in substantial cash for games on the road against major conference teams, and it only makes sense for them to use that leverage for the return from whoever happens to be the highest bidder. With its MCI Center contract, I'm pretty sure g'town hasn't been in a position to be that high bidder lately.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 30, 2004 13:51:53 GMT -5
Wait a minute, Aggypryd. Who the heck is bragging? Nobody "brags" about GU's dominance over the MEAC teams. Most people on this board would rather GU didn't schedule MEAC teams, except for Howard, and take no pride in the fact that we beat up on MEAC patsies.
Also, and I'm asking this seriously, when was Howard the best team in the city? If you think it was during the JT era, you're smoking something. If it predates JT, well sure, it's possible.
Finally, I don't believe Wake Forest ever won a national championship, so I'm not sure what time frame Packer is referring to.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 30, 2004 14:11:01 GMT -5
And the Ivies used to be the best football conference out there. Yes, I know there is history - heck, we're living it here with GU unless III turns us around.
But that doesn't mean the MEAC is any good now.
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 14:13:04 GMT -5
Wait a minute, Aggypryd. Who the heck is bragging? Nobody "brags" about GU's dominance over the MEAC teams. Most people on this board would rather GU didn't schedule MEAC teams, except for Howard, and take no pride in the fact that we beat up on MEAC patsies. Also, and I'm asking this seriously, when was Howard the best team in the city? If you think it was during the JT era, you're smoking something. If it predates JT, well sure, it's possible. Finally, I don't believe Wake Forest ever won a national championship, so I'm not sure what time frame Packer is referring to. my bad...I misquoted...when Wake finished third in the nation...made it to the Final Four in '62... Believe it or not, Howard was the best team in this area...even in the JT era, there were a few times Howard could have beaten G'town...but you never played... |
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 14:27:09 GMT -5
Also, and I'm asking this seriously, when was Howard the best team in the city? If you think it was during the JT era, you're smoking something. If it predates JT, well sure, it's possible. I don’t understand this…<br> Did you actually see Howard play back in the late ‘70s early ‘80s? How can you assume that you would have beaten them back then if you never played them? I think you’re assuming that the Howard, the A&T and the other MEAC schools were always like what you see now…don’t assume that…<br> Why do you assume that once John Thompson got to Georgetown, the Hoyas were automatically better than Howard? |
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 14:36:10 GMT -5
And the Ivies used to be the best football conference out there. Yes, I know there is history - heck, we're living it here with GU unless III turns us around. Don't be confused...there was a time when FAMU would have embarrassed the IVY league... During that time, all the talent that is at Florida State, University of Miami and University of Florida, was all at one school...Florida A&M... FAM's TRAVELING squad was 100 players in the '50s & '60s...now you throw in schools like Grambling State, Southern, Hampton and South Carolina State, you could never convince me that the best football was being played in the IVY league... |
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 30, 2004 14:39:38 GMT -5
I don’t understand this…<br> Did you actually see Howard play back in the late ‘70s early ‘80s?How can you assume that you would have beaten them back then if you never played them? Just guessing, but maybe the Nat'l Runnerup 1982 squad would have been favored over Howard. But, as we know from 1985 "anything can happen........ on any given Sunday.......... that's why they play the games......... just take it one game at a time............ and give 110%.........." |
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 14:49:09 GMT -5
Just guessing, but maybe the Nat'l Runnerup 1982 squad would have been favored over Howard. But, as we know from 1985 "anything can happen on any given Sunday that's why they play the games just take it one game at a time and give 110%.........." I would have assumed that the '85 squad would have blown out A&T...but the game was very close... No doubt, the Hoyas would dominate most teams in the MEAC now, but there was a time when that wasn't the case... |
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 30, 2004 15:10:12 GMT -5
I'm also pretty sure that if the 85 squad played A&T 9 more times, they would have won by around 30 all nine of those times. That's why the games are played, though -- you never know what will happen in one particular game. Wasn't that one in Puerto Rico? Maybe the Hoyas had a few too many pina coladas first...
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 30, 2004 15:15:41 GMT -5
Honestly, who the heck (originally had another word, but I'm getting an early jump on one of my new years resolutions - not to Edited WBH off) cares if Howard was good or better than G-town 25+ years ago. What's your point? G-town has scheduling issues today, do you want an apology for not scheduling some crap schools 25 years ago.
Fine - an apology from this G-town fan; obviously JT and the Hoyas were intimidated by the juggernaut that is the MEAC conference and wanted no part of their teams that, even though unbelievable good and down right unstoppable, have never won a damn thing.
Sincerest apologies,
hm
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 30, 2004 15:22:32 GMT -5
kenpom.com/confrank.phpAggy, you've got every right to come on here and FTP, but I'm glad you've started to refer to the Hoyas as 'your' -- as in, 'not my team'. Another thing... Don't ever question whether the Hoyas are my team or not...I grew up in North Carolina and 'on the daily' I'm defending the coach and the team against vile, slanderous remarks from racist red-necks that I'd just assume kill than ever talk to again... I have not faltered in my support of the Hoyas, nor do I plan to in the forseeable future... But one thing I will never take is you or anyone else ripping my school or any other CIAA/MEAC or SWAC school, and you assuming that you've always had a better basketball program than us... That just simply ain't the truth... |
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